Showing posts with label Grace and Glory Conference Sydney. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Grace and Glory Conference Sydney. Show all posts

Saturday, 24 May 2008

Session 1 - Grace and Glory Conference, Sydney

Here is Rob Rufus's first session from the Sydney Glory and Grace Conference.

"God is always in a good mood - He's never going to be angry with you again since the Cross! It's not just Reinhard Bonke who can say; "Africa will be saved". Rob Rufus can say; "China will be saved!".

Go to Romans chapter 4. I wanted to come here and speak on the demonstrations of the Spirit's power - the glory of God and special anointings and how to help us move in the glory of God. I didn't really want to teach on the gift of righteousness and the revelation of grace. So many people are down-loading off our website. We have 30, 000 downloads a month - that's actual messages primarily on the gospel of grace. So I contend that there is a "Grace Revolution" going on in the earth today. People don't realise that they are going to be surprised by what's going on in the earth. There is a grace revolution and it's going on in the earth. There is a grace revolution going on and it's not going to stop.

God will bring down every illegitimate, religious control government and subject it to the kingdom of God and the government of His peace! So there is a revolution - it's not a gentle, quiet reformation - it needs to be lead by people of great boldness who factored in the guarantee of rejection and being misunderstood - despite that we are going to go forward! So I didn't want to preach on this - it draws enough flack as it is. I thought I would be nice! God however spoke to me and said; "Take the first 2 sessions and lay a foundation on the revelation of righteousness as a gift". Even for those who are listening on the website, I felt God say; "You need to lay the foundation again for this conference and this specific time". Upon which He will build awesome demonstrations of His power.

Every revival (and I have studied many) most of them have only lasted 2 to 3 years and they were very intense but everyone that I have studied came to an end because the control of man came back in and laws and rules and regulations came back in. People say; "It is because sin came back in". No it wasn't about sin coming in because if sin had stopped the revival then the revival would never have started because revivals come when there is a lot of sin. Revival is the mercy of God breaking in and mercy prevents us getting what we do deserve and grace gives us what we don't deserve - a revival!

Revivals come to an end because Galatians 5:1 comes to an end or Galatians 5:4 where Paul says; "You have been alientated from Christ - you that have been living and moving in the Spirit - now you want to maintain your standing of righteousness through the keeping of the law". He says; "You have fallen from grace". Today it's taught that if you fall from grace then you have fallen into sin!

But Paul the apostle meant if you have fallen from grace then you were going back under the law and back into self-righteousness rather than living in the gift of God's righteousness.

This is taught all over the world - even in the business and corporate world. "He fell from grace". They mean - he did something wrong and got the disapproval of the company. When a Christian falls into sin - "Ah he fell from grace". Well Paul never called falling into sin - falling from grace. Paul said that you go under law then you have fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:4). You have been alienated from Christ and He is no longer of any value to you. How can you fall from grace by falling into sin? The Bible says that where sin abounds grace does much more abound! How can you falling into more abounding grace make you fall out of grace? I will say it once at the beginning and I hope I never have to say it again;

I am against sin, I don't like sin, I don't want sin in my life. Do you understand?! In our modern Church we have to qualify that because we have received a mixture of law and grace. For so long that people don't recognise the New Testament now when they see it. A mixture of Old Testament and New Testament has been taught for centuries and embraced by the church. So when they hear the message of grace, the message Paul preached, it is so radical that they say; "That is too radical!". I say; "Yes! It's radical! So what's your point?!". Do you know how radical the law is?!

You cannot mix law and grace because they will mutually neutralise each other. You will make Christ of no value if you mix them and you will not see signs and wonders.

Paul says; "Who has bewitched you?". The miracles have dried up, you have gone into the works of the flesh and you have got more sinful in your behaviour. By the way when you get back under law - you get into more sin! It's not the preaching of righteousness as a gift and grace and freedom that brings license to sin but it brings license to live in victory over sin and in the power of the Holy Spirit.

It is amazing to hear; "Watch out the grace message will bring a lot of sin!". The people are sinning without a license! People sin in law churches and people sin in grace churches. If you are going to sin, it's better to sin in a grace church because you will not be destroyed under condemnation. You will be restored! But if you want to sin in a legalistic church - don't tell anyone because if you are swimming with the sharks, you don't tell anyone you are bleeding!

Grace doesn't inspire people to sin more - it just gives you hope because everyone is struggling with son somewhere here and there. None of us - I haven't met one Christian who doesn't sin. We all pretend they are around. But I haven't met one! Paul the apostle said; "Not that I have attained yet". So this great apostle hadn't got to the place yet when he didn't sin yet altogether. But we pretend that they're on the planet somewhere and we are the horrid ones because we haven't arrived yet! A few pretend that we have arrived and preach like they have arrived. It makes everyone feel so bad. I like Joyce Meyer - she is so open and honest about her failures and her mistakes and her sins. Isn't it refreshing!? So God said; "Preach on the subject" and I argued and said I wanted to preach on the manifestations. He said;

"Son you preach on that later. You do a 2-part series this morning".

I want to tell you this, this is really not about law and grace. Whenever you hear this about law and grace - it is not - it is really about who controls the Church. Does the Holy Spirit control the Church or does man control the Church? Does hierarchy control the church, does programme, does organisation, does talents and the religious pedigrees of man control the Church? Does sophisticated theology control the Church or does the power of the living God rush through the Church in signs and wonders and miracles?

The number one reason why there aren't signs and wonders and miracles in every church is law. Condemnation. It brings the control of man! Condemnation is an effective insulation to the power of God. You lift condemnation off by preaching God's gift of righteousness and there is now therefore NO condemnation. None. Not one little bit. Not some. NO condemnation to those that are in Christ Jesus!

When that message of faith in righteousness is preached and the people believe it - THEN the power of God immediately begins to flow in signs and wonders.

A few weeks ago I was up in my roof top in Hong Kong and I was making a BBQ and I had a visitation from God - that's the only way I can describe it. God literally came and like Peter invited him to a BBQ. Only I was having a real BBQ with real red meat! But anyway the Lord came and visited me on my rooftop and spoke audibly to me and said; "Son I want you to stop trying to impress me. You don't need to anymore because there's nothing you can do that will impress me so just relax. Stop trying to impress people as well - don't do that anymore. I want you to allow Me to impress you". Then He spoke for about half an hour to me non-stop and I asked Him a whole lot of questions and He answered them. But He said;

"Please son, tell My people to give up trying to impress Me and please tell them and ask them - will you allow God to impress you? You know son, you know when man went to the moon? And the world was so impressed? I wasn't that impressed!".

I thought; "Lord what's that got to do with what You're showing me?". He said; "I want you to know that I wasn't even slightly impressed. The angels around Me were yawning! I created the moon - it's just a little speck in the galaxy expanding at the speed of light! All man's attempts to be religious and holy and zealous doesn't impress Me at all! All man's self-righteousness is like filthy rags and it stinks like dung!". Paul said that in Philippians 3. "It doesn't impress Me - it's yucky! Man thinks I am rewarding him for all his zeal and holiness - I am not impressed with it at all. I am impressed with the righteousness of Christ that He gave the Church but a whole lot of people not impressed with My Son's righteousness that came as an irreversible, unconditional gift - simply received by faith. So they're not impressed with it! They are saying it's the way you get into the kingdom and it's only access in and then after that you have to do performance to stay righteous".

They do not understand the completeness they have in Christ through the gift of righteousness. They have lowered imputed righteousness down to an entrance into the kingdom and then they feel you've got to add to the human practical righteousness for daily living. He said; "Son there is no such thing as practical righteousness - there's my gift of righteousness and then there's self-righteousness". There isn't imputed, imparted and impacting righteousness. There is just imputed righteousness - my gift of righteousness and My Word in the New Testament speaks nothing of imparted or impacting righteousness. Only the gift of righteousness! That's all!

He said; "My Church is so busy trying to impress Me but I am the Bridegroom!". A Bridegroom - the husband - it is his right to show off His biceps and flex His chest and show how hairy his legs are and show how strong he is. There is something wrong with a beautiful petite bride trying to flex her biceps and show off her hairy legs and show how strong she is! He said; "I am quite disgusted by that - here I am trying to show off My biceps and My muscles and My miracle power and My righteousness and My bride isn't looking! She's so busy trying to show off her biceps and her legs and her righteousness!". He said; "It's rather strange! She's the Bride!". But the bride is saying; "Hold on Lord - You will find me more attractive if I was just a little bit more holy and obedient and then you would find me attractive".

He said; "Tell My Bride that she is so unbearably attractive and I can't wait to kiss her and put My arms around her. She is clothed in the garments of My salvation but she keeps taking them off and putting those ugly clothes on of her own self-righteousness! She's got My breastplate of righteousness on her chest but she wants it to be her self-righteousness efforts and her performance and what she does for Me! She has forgotten it is all about Me and what I do for you! You are the Bride! Will you just sit still long enough so I can impress you?".

There is such fear in man to do this because you see - we men are part of the Bride of Christ. Many of you believe that much of the Church is working so hard to impress God that they're not allowing Him to impress them. If God comes and impresses us with the gift of righteousness that He gave us, then you will never again go into that frantic, striving stuff again. You will enter into a rest that is supernatural.

For 3 and a half years I have been attacked daily by demons in Hong Kong - my wife and I. We've fought to stay alive at times. We've had demons come into our room and speak audibly to our heads and push me into the bed and say they are going to kill us. So I say; "In the Name of Jesus Christ - shut up" and then a big white light flashed across the room - it was the whitest and brightest light I had ever seen with my eyes open. I jumped up and the Presence of God filled the room - I opened the curtains to see if there was an electric storm but it was a clear sky - no storm. The light of God came. There's just been one attack after another with little breakthroughs here and there.

2 weeks ago when God spoke this about not impressing Him I have entered into daily rest - it's not one of those temporary things - I can feel a shift has taken place in my spirit and I really don't feel what people think or say - I am not worried about it. It's just so wonderful to know I don't have to impress man. I don't have to impress God. He wants me to give Him permission to impress me. The God who created the heavens and the earth, who can raise the dead and do anything - He says;

"Please son, give Me an opportunity for Me to impress you".

We have seen increased miracles and are just beginning. How many of you believe that the older brother really knew the Father?

How many of you are so sick and tired about people speaking about kingdom and theology and church and church pattern and principles of the Kingdom and yet you never feel the honey of heaven on their words or that they have just come from the realm of glory and there is deep intimate love because they know Jesus better than they know another human being on the planet?

I am not convinced that many people going to heaven will meet a stranger there because they don't know Him. John Wesley's last words before he died were; "I am ready to go - for 50 years I have known and walked with this one Jesus. He will not be a strange Jesus that I meet on the other side". The older brother was working so hard to impress the Father that he didn't have a clue Who the Father was. His younger brother went out and spent all he had prematurely - the inheritance of the Father and spent it on prostitutes. Now I didn't say that! Jesus said it! He came back with the smell of the pig sty on him and the Father ran to him and put His arms around him, kissed him and put the ring and best robe and sandals on his feet and had a fatted calf celebration party.

And the older brother was MAD! Then he said; "All these years I have been working so hard for you - you didn't even give me a goat!". The Father turned to the older brother and said;

"Everything I have is yours!".

But he was working so hard to impress the Father that he didn't have a clue who his Father was. He was full of self-righteousness - aren't you glad that the prodigal son met the Father first? Not the older brother! Because if he had met the older brother he would never have had the guts to go a step further and meet the Father.

Many prodigals are trying to come home right now and are coming into contact with the older brother. From the pulpit or in the pew and they are not making it through! There needs to come a grace revolution! This man came from prostitutes! Now I have never been with prostitutes - I have never had sexual intimacy with any woman in my entire life except my wife for 33 years so I am not promoting sin. But Jesus said prostitutes!

The control spirit wants to put obligation on people. I want you to look at Philippians 3. I know some of you discern a little attitude on the inside of me. In our wonderful humanistic corrupted wisdom idea of what unity is - people think unity is not offending anyone and not having attitude but it is amazing to me that Paul the apostle who wrote in Ephesians 4 what unity is - the unity of the Spirit and unity of faith - that Paul rebuked Peter publicly. He said; "Peter you are not acting in line with the gospel and you are leading these Gentile believers back under law". So Paul had a bit of attitude!

But real Christians today don't have attitude - you know you need to have attitude! The truth sets you free! God is going to encounter us today in manifestations of power throughout this week - He will encounter you and me in awesome ways! I said to Fini and Isi that He is going to encounter us so much I am actually frightened.

But if you do not have an encounter of truth - that encounter will not last long. If you have a revelation of the gift of righteousness that God wants to bless you and it's not about your performance but His then the encounters you have will last for the rest of your life. But if you don't understand this revelation of righteousness then the revival will only be 2 or 3 years and then it will wane and people will unwisely, stupidly and foolishly say; "Oh that was the season and now it has ended. The season of revival should never end - it is from one degree of glory to the next degree of glory and of the government of peace there will be no end!". The book of Acts started in glory and it was never meant to end!

It only lasted 300 years and then 1000 years of darkness and what was the reason for that darkness? They took away the revelation of righteousness as a gift and imposed self-righteousness on the church and then the man that had to bring the church out of 1,000 years of darkness had to get a revelation that the just shall live by faith and we are justified in getting righteousness by faith.

Martin Luther - heaven knows what he had to go through and we can criticise his understanding of the Jews and he opened the door for the Jews to be persecuted under the Nazi regime. But he didn't understand some things because you see he had light for that time hundreds of years ago. Can you imagine the spirits of witchcraft and the Jezebel spirits that came at him? We are talking about a time of inquisition when you could be burnt alive or stretched by the Church! Science and art was stopped by the Church because it contradicted the church's idea that the universe was spinning around the earth.

Galileo and others who got scientific knowledge that the galazy was not spinning around the earth and the Church says; "If you write about that then we will kill you".

So the revelation of the gift of righteousness does not only set the people of God free - it releases creativity, arts, science and was the birthing of human rights and freedom and freedom and eventually democracy into the Western world.

That is what Luther was contending for.

Right now the major attack of the revival is not trying to stop this revival! The devil's major attack is to hide and obscure the fact that you are the righteousness of God through grace and glory alone because if he can hide that, he will let the revival start and run for 3 to 4 years and then bring laws, rules and regulations and condemnation on it and already man is trying to stop this revival using law and rule and quenching the grace message.

They don't know what they are fighting! They are fighting Almighty God and they are about to have a head-on collision like Paul did on the road to Damascus! Paul was going to go and bring back bound Christians and he wanted to put them in prison. He was on his way breathing out threats and slaughters and God slapped him to the ground and knocked the "S" off his name and put a "P" there. He became the greatest champion of grace and wherever he went there were revivals and they always lasted until the circumcision party or the control freaks came in and began to say; "Yes saved by grace - it's so wonderful this Gospel BUT grace + ... look at that sin in your life - look where you are coming from - look where you have fallen short there! Watch out! The Lord won't bless you - you had better do more and give more and say more and be more holy! God can't bless you if you don't!".

No that is Old Covenant teaching. Jesus + anything = NOTHING! Jesus + even good things = NOTHING! Jesus + nothing = the fullness of the Kingdom of God because it is in Christ Jesus.

(Philippians 3). Notice the attitude of Paul. I haven't called anyone a "dog" yet. A lot of people have called me that affectionately!

(Phil 3:1); "a safeguard for you". Why is Paul saying that what I am saying is a "safeguard"? What does the Church need to be safeguarded from? The sin and wickedness in the Church? Well the Church does need to watch out for that but Paul isn't going to write about that stuff but it is actually "evil men" that we need to be safeguarded from. He defines who "evil men" are. They are actually nice people. They are very sincere - some of them - but he still calls them "evil".

They will be moral and upright men with great religious pedigree but he will say they are evil becuase they are trying to impress men with their self-righteousness and then trying to impress God and put on the Church a performance pressure that will stop the glory of the New Covenant manifesting.

You can go and live under Old Covenant glory if you live perfectly for a while then you will see the glory - if you don't you will see fire, brimstone and death and it will kill you for the law was designed to kill you. It is a fading glory.

If you live in the gift of righteousness however you are living in an unfading glory because it is not to do with your righteousness and everything to do with His righteousness.

You are listening so well and I feel such an open heaven here. You may be thinking; "Let's just do the stuff and do the wiggle!". That doesn't have to wait till I am finished - that can happen while I am speaking! Let this truth be the foundation for everything God manifests this week. I am asking you to get attitude - I am not asking you to be rude or unkind or divisive or rebellious - I am asking you to be like Paul the apostle. Just have some standing on this! He goes on to describe what the Church needs to be safeguarded from.

(Philippians 3:2) - He is going to describe what those "evil men" are. "Those mutilators of the flesh". So he is saying circumcision. It may not mean the same to us today but then if you got circumcised it was Jesus + the keeping of the law and human performance.

We have people today who say; "No I don't live under law" but they do because anything that pressurises you to perform to earn the favour or blessing IS law and IS Old Covenant.

"Watch out for those dogs - those men who do evil - those mutilators of the flesh for it is we who are the circumcision (he is talking about a circumcised heart) - we who worship by the Spirit and who glory in Christ Jesus and who put no confidence in the flesh although I myself have reasons for such confidence. If anyone else thinks he has reasons to have confidence in the flesh - I have more. Circumcised on the eighth day of the people of Israel - the tribe of Benjamin - a Hebrew of Hebrews and in regards to the law a Pharisee. As for zeal - persecuting the Church and as for legalistic righteousness - faultless".

Say that with me. "As for legalistic righteousness - faultless". You could not fault Paul. He had a righteousness that was externally looking like he was keeping the law perfectly. He says it himself! But he says it is very evil and the Church must be safe guarded from people with external legalistic righteousness and morally correct. He says it is dangerous and we should not be impressed with it! The second half of Romans 7 says that while Paul appeared to be legalistically perfect and righteous - inside he was filled with confusion and condemnation and guilt and controlled by the principle of sin.

He was thinking "Look at this legalistic righteousness - I am sure you can't see the ugly things happening in my heart! But externally I am convincing everyone else how holy I am. Can You check this out God?". And God says; "Yes I can and it smells like poo". Paul is about to tell you that is true. Legalistic righteousness smells like poo to God! When I got these revelations a few years ago I just decided to let it all hang out and think "God You can see everything so there's no condemnation with my failures, mistakes, flaws and sins". The more open and transparent you are the more hope there is for you to grow in holiness. Look what he says here.

(v6); "But whatever was to my profit I now consider it loss for the sake of Christ - what is more I now consider everything loss ... for knowing Christ Jesus my Lord for who's sake I consider them rubbish". The Greek word there is "excrecio" or poo! Lord I haven't had a lustful thought - I haven't kicked the cat this week - I haven't done anything wrong - I have been God - Lord I deserve a move of God!". He says; "What you deserve is a big bunch of poo dumped on your head - that stinks! That is Old Covenant and there is a fading glory on that and you have been bewitched!".

Bewitching religious demons of Jezebel have deceived you and you are in rebellion against heaven if you think you can earn the blessing of heaven by your faultless righteousness!

"What is the point of My Son dying on the Cross if you are not impressed by that?! Shall I tell you what I think about your righteousness?! Poo!". You go to some places where there is a zeal to try and get God to move and you think; "He's not moving and there's no signs and wonders and then you think what is that I smell?!". Let me move on. "I've lost all things ... to be found in Him not having a righteousness of my own". This is a man who was killing people for having a righteousness of their own! "That comes from the law but that which is through faith in Christ". The righteousness that comes from God and is by faith. "I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in His sufferings and becoming like Him in His death".

You will never know Christ through your own righteousness but through the gift of righteousness but through the gift of righteousness you will know Him and you will also know the supernatural power of the resurrection. In this righteousness you will share in the fellowship of Christ's sufferings. You will be conformed to Him like unto His death. To be conformed unto His death is described in Romans 6 and it means you have died completely to the penalty of sin.

(Romans 6:4) "Died to sin". Well I haven't met a Christian yet who has died to sin - it's not a verb but a noun. In (Romans 6:9-10), it says; "Just as Christ died once to sin so likewise you have died once to sin". Christ died to the whole penalty of sin.

You can be conformed to the death of Jesus Christ - when you came into Christ, you were given a righteousness from God and from that moment there was no penalty for sin ever hanging over your head again!

What is "sharing in the fellowship of the sufferings of Christ"? He came to His own and His own received Him not. They called Him from the devil - of Beelzebub. They called Him all kinds of things. They said that Paul was anti the law. Paul was not anti the law!

Paul was for the law - for the purpose of what the law was for. He knew the law was to lead you to Christ and strip you of arrogance and pride and self-righteousness. The law was to curse you and to crush you and condemn you so you would be led to Christ. Once you came to Christ, Galatians 3 says you are no longer a prisoner of the law - you have been released from the law. Romans 7 says you have died to the law that you may belong to Jesus Christ. (Romans 10:4) says that Christ is the end of the law to them that believe that a righteousness may come APART from the law. Paul was not against the law! He was against what people were teaching the law was for. It doesn't bring righteousness - it just brings self-righteousness.

People always tell me - please don't apologise for going on. But I am sensitive! I freak out in long-winded meetings! As you are receiving this word - this grace - this revelation - what I have seen is that people sat in church for many years like me and did not understand grace. I preached on grace for many years and really thought I understood it. I didn't understand it! Because when I finished preaching a series on grace at Coastlands or at Victory Faith Centre then the next few weeks I would balance it with preaching on your performance and what you had better do now.

If you take all the "Have-to's" off God's people then the New Creation nature spontaneously rises up with a whole lot of "Want-to's".

I make it clear to our people that I can no longer preach out of Malachi 3 and tell people if they don't tithe they are under a curse. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law that the blessing of Abraham may come on the Gentiles by faith! When we say; "When you tithe you will open the windows of heaven" - well yes if you are under the law go ahead and do it. But Christ Jesus when He repented on our behalf for our sin - when did He do that?! At the Jordan River. What was John's baptism - a baptism unto repentance for sin. John said; "You should not be baptised by me - You should baptise me!". And Jesus said; "No I want to be baptised to fulfill our righteousness". So who was He repenting for? Not Him - He was perfect!

He was repenting for the sin of the world and when He did that, the heavens were opened and they have never closed since.

Do you know when it closes over people's lives? Not God closing it but the devil closing it over people's lives - witchcraft spirits closing it over people's lives? When people get put under law and are told that your failure to tithe can reverse the Cross and can close the heavens and the law is given more credibility than the blood of our Saviour. It gives the devil an empowered darkness to close the heavens over our lives. People say; "Rob's preaching a message that give people a license to sin". I want to challenge those people - come to our church in Hong Kong and you will find that the majority of our people tithe faithfully.

I have to take the risk that they wouldn't because I told them if you don't tithe - you are NOT under a curse. You are under the blessing of Abraham. "I am?!". Yes - it is a risk to preach this message! You know why!? Because you lose control over the people but you know Who get's control? The wonderful Holy Spirit and then He guides people into all truth and you can see back in Genesis 13 that Abraham tithed! Abraham tithed 430 years before the law ever arrived! Did Abraham's tithing open the windows of heaven? No - the first time he tithed was to Melchizadek and the Bible says he was already very rich and his enemies were being put to flight! He had authority over his enemies and he was called a friend of God and he hadn't tithed once! Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness. So he tithed! City Church International tithes! I tithe!

Why? Not to open the windows of heaven but because they are already open through grace. I am a partner with God and I am investing into eternity. Paul says; "Rightly divide the word of truth lest you be ashamed". As I flew to Hong Kong, the audible voice of God came to me and said;

"Son you are starting again - starting with 5 people and no one knows who you are in the city. You are a nobody. You are in the best place you could imagine. Now any pollution you put into the stream will be in that stream for a long time. You are starting a pure fountain here. Son, up until now you have preached a mix of law and grace. David and Saul. Ishmael and Isaac. Spirit and flesh. Faith and human effort. Old Covenant and New Covenant. Law and grace. It doesn't matter what people say because they will say a lot - but I want you to preach just grace - just the New Covenant- just mercy - just faith - just anointing - just spirit - just the finished work of the Cross - just David - just Isaac. It doesn't matter what people do. Just stay faithful to the New Covenant and you will see!".

And we are seeing! God got me on God channel to preach to hundreds of millions of people this grace message last year. He opens the nations because the Bible says that it is not through law that God made Abraham and his offspring heirs of the world but through a righteousness that is apart from the law and that is by faith.


We can talk about global influence but until we get into a revelation of righteousness God won't make us heirs of the world.

I had the privilidge as a little boy from Pinetown, South Africa - to preach to hundreds of millions of people in most countries of the world - the message of grace. I promise you - if you preach this message then the controllers will froth at the mouth but those who are being controlled will absolutely love and worship God and so appreciate you.

Here is an Iraqi pagan man living 430 years before the law. The law only came later not to be added to - not to make us righteous but to increase sin because all were dead in first Adam. People don't go to hell because of their sin essentially. They go to hell because of first Adam's sin just as people don't go to heaven because of their righteousness but because of the righteousness of last Adam. All were dead in first Adam's disobedience.

Seperated from God but men and women didn't know it and that is why the law came to make sin increase. (Romans 5) says that the law was added to increase sinning. You keep law on people and you will increase sin! The law is outside behaviour modification - it gives you legalistic, faultless righteousness through an appearance to people but inside it doesn't change anything.

So Abraham 430 years before the law - an Iraqi, an idol worshipper, a sinner and in disobedience and so was his wife - he is old yet God appears to him!

God manifests! I want to prophesy this because it is already happening throughout China and happening in the Muslim world - God is going to suddenly appear to total pagans and say; "I am El-Shaddi - I am the God of the New Covenant! I am not counting your sins against you!".

There is only one sin that that Jesus Christ couldn't die for and that is the sin of unbelief. It is the only sin that the Holy Spirit will convict the world of. He is not convicting the world of sinning but of one sin - the sin of unbelief because there is only one sin that can send men to hell and that is unbelief in what Jesus Christ did because Jesus Christ could not die for that sin. Abraham was living in a dispensation called the New Covenant before the law. Jesus Christ died on the Cross to confirm the covenant made with Abraham - a covenant of grace and faith. Nothing to do with performance to get the blessing but the blessing coming only through faith! He comes to a sinning, lost, disobedient Iraqui in his 70's and says;

"I am El-Shaddi - the God that is more than enough. I am everything in Me for more than your needs. I am a nursing mother and will nurse and nuture you. I will be robust and powerful for you. I am El-Shaddi and I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you and I will make your name great and you will be a blessing to all nations and all those that bless you, I will bless. All those that curse you, I will curse. All nations will be blessed through you!".
AND ABRAHAM DIDN'T ARGUE!

He hadn't been to Church yet and he hadn't been under law and grace preachers! He didn't say; "I am not worthy Lord - I am a pagan and I have sinned and there's still stuff in my life that I have got to deal with - dysfunctions - and God I haven't done one obedient thing for You!". You know what the Bible says?

Abraham believed God. He said; "Lord impress me. I am ready to be impressed!". And the Bible says that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. God did not come to Abraham and offer him righteousness - He offered him BLESSING! Because God found a man who believed that God is desirous to bless us - God said that kind of faith I declare as righteousness!

I weep sometimes for the Body of Christ to see the zeal in God's people and they get a revelation of grace and see His righteousness and then someone talks them out of it and says; "Yes that's true but ...". And balances it! It's gone! They act happy at Church and they act happy and one day they go out and commit adultery. The legalists are always safe because when someone sins under their ministry they can says; "Oh we told them not to sin". But when someone sins under grace ministry they say; "Oh it is the fault of the message". You can't win with a spirit of reasons. Don't debate or dialogue with it. Don't come down - you are involved in a great work. When you won't come and dialogue then the enemy will change to the next tactic which is to intimidate you and threaten you with isolationism. No man can isolate you because God has included you. No man can take away your inheritance because God gave it to you!

Monday, 14 April 2008

Invading the Impossible - Part 12

This sermon was one that I was particularly looking forward to with great anticipation because of a comment Rob made in "Invading the Impossible - Part 11" just before he went to Sydney for the "Grace and Glory Conference". He said;

"I am coming back directly because I feel God says come back and I will be here the following Sunday and we will have a riot. I want to teach the good stuff!".

And indeed it was good. Here it is!

"Invading the Impossible - Part 12 - The Power of Testimony" - Sunday 6th April 2008.
I really believe that Joshua Mill's visit here is not a coincidence. I believe it is a divine incident. I really believe it is the arrangement of God. We were not meant to have them - they were meant to go somewhere else. And God said to Joshua; "No - don't go there because the best church in the world is City Church!!". No but they were meant to go somewhere else but were turned down amazingly so we got them and it was God I believe. I am not looking for extra meetings - I have just preached 12 times in the last few days. I am tired of my own voice and nearly ran out on my voice. But next Sunday morning is not just another religious slot. If I could get away with it - I would cancel Sunday morning and let's just meet in the evening with Joshua and then Monday.

But I feel under the instruction of God to have a Sunday morning meeting because so few of you in Hong Kong get an opportunity to encounter God in close proximity of meetings. There is something about the first meeting where you open up to God - He speaks to your heart - you get anointed - you get lubricated and immersed so that by the second meeting in the evening with Joshua you will be best positioned to go into the realms of the glory.By Monday night it will just be an awesome time! I have seen that over and over again. There is very little you can actually do in a single meeting. Sunday mornings are great and we are breaking through.

In fact the expectation levels in the church in the prayer meeting this morning are much higher than when I left two weeks ago! Something has happened in the last 2 weeks! There is a new level of hunger in this church!

More and more of you are telling me; "I see this grace message now - the light of revelation has come on! I see it clearer now!". That is in the last few weeks! So I believe we are going up to a new level. But this is an opportunity to have 3 meetings and you will see how it grows.

You pick up where you left off and go to another level and every meeting is like a rocket booster that takes you to another level in God and so it is so important - if you can make all three then please make all three!

It is costing us a lot of money to have Joshua and his wife here. We are taking it out of our own tithes and offerings that come into this church. I would rather have you here at all three meetings than have to give anything financially. I just want you to be here.

I am jealous for you with a holy ambition to take you to another level. When you come into the glory - you get liberated! In the glory, you become undone! I want to take you into the glory further and further!

If you can't make 2 Sunday meetings then the choice you make is to come Sunday night. Please come to be here with Joshua Mills and on Monday.

Okay - "Invading the Impossible - Part 11" or whatever it is. "By the Power of Testimony". The Bible says in the Book of Revelation that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

"Testimony" comes from the word; "To do it again". When you share a testimony of what God has done in a miracle in your life - that testimony is a sharing of a prophecy and it carries with it a power to duplicate what you are testifying happened to you.

So I give a testimony that I was healed of cancer or pray for someone who was healed of cancer and as I am giving that testimony, it is a prophecy carrying the power to duplicate what I am describing so if you have got cancer as you are listening to that testimony the power in that testimony that healed someone else duplicates it's power in you and heals you. So that power of testimony is what I want to talk about. I want to talk about our time in Sydney and Australia.

By the way we want to put the communion emblems out every week - it will be there during the worship. Go and download the message I preached on "The Power of Breaking Bread" - there is power there in communion! "Do this in remembrance of Me". What happened on the Cross? "By His stripes you are healed". The more and more you understand the revelation of the gospel - the blood and you remind yourself again and again of the gospel then healing comes to you. That is why the breaking of bread is a powerful meal.

Last Sunday Ryan preached on "Sanctification by Grace" and I have to say (and not just because he is my son!) but I was stunned. I have been preaching for 30 years and I have never heard such a clear, simple teaching on the subject of sanctification. "You are bringing people around us who compliment each other Lord!" - I thought. The revelation He has given me on righteousness as a gift - equally so He has revealed to Ryan the concept of sanctification and how you move on in holiness and liberty and freedom from the foundation of the gift of righteousness and it is just profound clear teaching. Please get that!

2 Sundays ago we went up to China and 20 folk from the church came with us and I preached for 17 minutes! 20 Chinese people got saved and on a first time visit to the church! I preached a simple message on; "Jesus got what we deserved so we could get what He deserved". Some people said that sounds like a good deal to me - I am buying into that one! Most of them were baptised immediately afterwards in the same service. So - the power of testimony!

City Church International - the day is coming when we will see 20 people saved every week! Amen? People will start bringing the lost and we will see 20 saved, then 40, then 80, then 100 and then 200 and then every week we will see 1000+ saved here in City Church International!

I long for the lost to get saved! That is my yearning! They got saved when I was preaching in Sydney! The "Glory and Grace Conference" in Sydney was just AWESOME!

I have to say it went up to a higher level than what we had in Hong Kong not because the people there were more hungry or open - it is just the glory is going to another level. That's all! If we would have had another one here at the same time then we would have gone higher than we did in October last year. It is just going to another level.

I shared and preached on God's visitation to me on my rooftop a few weeks ago when He said;

"Son please tell My people to stop trying to impress Me and one another but tell them to allow Me to impress them".

That when God impresses us it just does the most awesome things - He can do in every area of our lives. So my prayer life has changed since then. Any challenges I am facing since then I am saying; "Father, I give up trying to impress you as to how I am going to get out of this. I give up trying to impress people as to how I am going to get out of this. I am looking forward to how you will impress me Lord in doing something in this situation". When I spoke on the glory in Sydney (this is what people told me) and on the glory of God in the last session - many people (not just one or two) said they went into trances while I was speaking!

Some wives would say; "My husband is always in a trance" - no these were Holy Spirit trances! This is what they said - as I was talking on the glory, they actually SAW the glory coming out of my mouth and they went into a trance and the Lord took them into the glory realm where it was three-dimensional and they SAW what I was talking about! The Lord in technicolour demonstrated to them what I was talking about. They went into the heavenly realm and some of them saw a picture. God painted a picture for some of them to see what I was talking about.

Then Jesus appeared to many people. We've got lots of emails pouring in telling us of how they went into the heavens and saw Jesus and He showed them the heavenly realms. People heard and saw (I don't know how you can SEE and HEAR - I know some of my friends went on LSD and said they could SEE sounds and HEAR colours) - but anyway;

The Glory Realm is not limited to the time/space world we live in right now. We were created for the glory. We were meant to live in the glory. We are going to live in the glory forever when we go to heaven but God is bringing His glory here!
People heard sounds from heaven with many angelic appearances. Open visions of angels! You say; "Rob what is that?!". Just open your Old and New Testament and you will see angels appearing to people all the time!

There is something abnormal if the Church today doesn't have angelic visitations.

I taught on what the New Covenant is so clearly that if an angel appears to you (Paul says) and preaches a gospel other than the gospel he preached then let that angel be eternally condemned. In other words I taught clearly what the New Covenant is in comparison to the Old and said; "God is going to come and visit so many of us with angels that you don't have to be afraid of deception if you know the New Covenant so well and so clearly you can easily discern the difference between the Old and the New". I am told that bank tellers when they learn how to recognise counterfeit money don't get to see any counterfeit at all. They train them by getting them to handle real money for hours and hours. So they become so familiar with the real that the moment the counterfeit passes through their fingers they recognise it instantly.

You and I need to discern and become so familiar with the New Covenant versus the Old Covenant (which is obsolete and redundant) - so the moment an angel comes to you and says something that is contrary to the New Covenant then you will know that angel is not from heaven.

Any angel that comes to you - don't worship that angel! That angel comes to help you worship Jesus - to minister to you. Jesus was ministered to by angels when He was so exhausted after His wilderness experience. So angels were seen and actually many saw angels outside the the meetings. While they were walking through the streets of Sydney, people saw angels standing behind people. Angels reaching out to people and trying to save people.

I am so glad that the Church is becoming normal again.

It takes concentrated glory - it takes 5 days of people being in the glory. When we first started you could feel people coming in with their woes and the baggage of the world. It took us about 10 minutes and then the prophetic word came like a trumpet and lifted the meeting and we blasted off and had about 12 meetings on top of each other and then by the end we were in the glory zone! I mean we were so in the glory that there were several sessions where we didn't need to preach - no man or woman could stand up and preach - God was there! Me the preacher - I was unconcious on the platform! The Holy Spirit came and He became the preacher. That is a testimony!

There were two gold fillings as you might have heard - both from the UK. We had visitors from the UK - people from around the world but the one is Millie who is coming to join us from Hong Kong. She had a platinum filling and the other was an elderly man. I am careful about saying "elderly" because he is probably only about 60 and not so old to me anymore! He had a pure gold filling and my friend Tony is a dental technician and I asked him to go and examine it. I want it to be real. I don't want to get embarressed afterwards and make these claims and then it is fakery. I am not into playing stupid religious fakery games - I want the real deal! So Tony went and examined him and said;

"Rob that is the real deal. That gold is so pure that there is no scratches on it. It is brand new!". God just filled their teeth! Why? You see when the glory comes there are manifestations in the natural just as signs pointing to God's glory. That is why I am so eager for you to come Sunday morning, evening and Monday night.

I want everyone in this church to experience the weighty glory - the heavy glory - the glory zone! When you have experienced that once - you are RUINED for life!
There is another world and it is called God's realm! And the Kingdom is His world breaking into this world and some of you have so fallen in love with that world that you are not that interested in this world anymore! That doesn't mean to say you are so heavenly minded you are no earthly good. The more you fall in love with that world, the more effective you can be in this world. But I am not interested in living in this world if I can't walk in the glory and live in the glory.

I could not wait for a whole week for a Sunday to get into the glory. That would drive me nuts! I have to experience His glory every day.

If you are bored check how far your distance is from Jesus. Because if you are walking close to Jesus, then boredom is not a word that you can use to describe that individual. Terrified? Frightened? Excited? That would describe it! I said to guys this morning that I wish the Lord would take this excitement off me. I have lived 30 years waiting for the season we are coming into now! I have lived 30 years patiently and what I am hearing happening around the world - I am saying; "Lord I am so excited, I can't sleep properly at night! I haven't had a day off for 2 weeks standing up preaching and counselling! I can't wait!". I am having tomorrow off and I am saying; "Lord take the excitement off me so I can sleep and eat and then back in again!". I can't stand bored Christians! Yuck! You meet with God! Almighty God - face to face! Bored?! You won't be bored - it will be like plugging a hair dryer in that is 220 volts into 10, 000 volts!

The circuits on my system in "Glory and Grace" were nearly burning out! You try sleeping at night! Bored?! We had to go to lunch at one of the end of the sessions and there was a pub down the end of the road and I left the meeting late because I was just talking to people in a long line and so we got there late and there were people from the "Glory and Grace Conference" on the floor laughing and drunk! I look up on the bar table and it was Coke and Coke Light! They were out of their minds drunk in the Holy Spirit and haven't had any alcohol! They are laughing hysterically with joy and some of the Aussies are looking at them strangely!

These men are not drunk as you suppose! They have just been to the Glory and Grace Conference and got filled with the new wine from heaven and are full of joy!

Fini and Isi at their church a few weeks ago came out after a Sunday meeting and they got out and had a 3 hour meeting in the glory! They were staggering to their cars and it was about 10pm at night and they start to fall. They got the car doors half open and Fini is on his back looking at the stars. There was about 5 or 6 of them laughing with joy. Suddenly a big light comes on and there is an Aussie police van going "What's going on here?!". So Fini hears one of the members of his congregation who is hanging half way out the door say; "Oh it's okay officer we have just had church!". And the officer goes; "Oh that's okay then - just keep it down!" and drives off and leaves them!

There's a dear friend of mine and his name is Ollie. He went to plant a church in Mauritius - he was born there but grew up in Australia. I've known him for many years. The church plant didn't work and he came back limping to Australia. I don't know if you know what it's like - you go out and plant a church and it doesn't work. People help you, support you and release money and you have got to come back and admit it didn't work. That is tough! I think we should bring them back and say; "Well done - you are a hero! At least you tried! It is better to get out the boat and try and walk on the water and die trying than to sit in the boat and die of boredom because you won't take any risks!". Amen? So he came back and has been in a state of negativity for many, many years and he came to "Glory and Grace" - he is a prophet.

He came to "Glory and Grace" and he came up to me one night and said; "Rob - I had a dream a few weeks ago and in my dream I saw this hall exactly like it is in the dream (I haven't been in this hall before) and I saw my son standing with a red top on and I saw you praying for him and the power of God coming on my son as a worship leader and just taking him to a higher level of passion for Jesus". So he said; "Will you pray for him?". So I said; "Sure I will". I went across and laid hands on his son who was 16 and the power of God hit him and he went down on his face and lay there for a long time. I walked over to Ollie who was standing looking at his son and laid hands on him and the power of God hit him like a thunderbolt of glory. Low and behold I was too taken out by God and was lying half unconcious on the platform and eventually I looked up and there was Ollie on his hands and knees honestly taking on the persona of a lion!

He was walking on his hands and knees but negotiating his way dozens of bodies lying unconcious in the glory. Rob is that Bible? Yes it's Bible - it is all there! If that DOESN'T happen - it's weird! We are getting normal again friends! How can God come into the house and no one notices?! You go to a football match and feeling is okay - but if God comes into a meeting and there is drunkenness and that isn't?! He is the HOLY Spirit! He is not going to lead you to do unholy things! He will lead you to do holy things and your life will be changed! Ooh no! Hong Kong Football - drunk!? But Holy Spirit is bad?! No maybe we should say Hong Kong drunkeness bad! And Holy Spirit drunknenness good! But the church is saying that's bad! What's okay then!? Nothing!

The only hope for Australia's drug problem is a move of God where they get intoxicated and caught up into the heavens and see the realm of God!

There was a man there who was a pastor at Hillsongs and now part of Fini's church! He got caught up into the heavens and saw Jesus who introduced him to the 12 apostles! I don't believe that.

Fine - sit in your earthly head and just stay bored! Or there is a glory realm that is available and you can walk into it!

So Ollie was walking around and he was like the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and he was walking with such dignity like a lion! I had preached that night that lions born in captivity are not true lions and have been controlled and tamed by the church.

The whole theme of the conference was; "Who is Controlling the Church? Man or the Holy Spirit?". I am preaching about law and grace but it really isn't about law and grace. It is not really about law or grace but who is controlling the church. If you preach law - it is man controlling the church. If you preach grace - it is the Holy Spirit controlling the church.

Now God will use men and women as leaders but under the Holy Spirit. It is all about control! That is the main theme. We went across to Bill Johnson's conference and he was teaching the same thing! Who is controlling the church? Law and grace! All the guys from "Glory and Grace" who didn't behave themselves at Bill Johnson's were all laughing and half-drunk - then every time he said something I had said they were slapping me on the back and saying; "Yere he is quoting your messages!". No he is not! He is downloading from heaven! All the prophets are hearing from heaven and are getting very excited. This is what we have waited for and is now upon us.

So Ollie was roaring and was prophesying like an oracle at the top of his voice;

"No condemnation - no constitution - no legalism - no control of man - Jesus says "My church is My church and I am coming for My church!".

He prophesied for hours and a few days after the conference he rang Fini and I as we were driving under the city harbour bridge. He rang us on conference call and said he had only slept a few hours and had lost kilograms of weight and this is a man who was negative for years because of the failed church plant. He said; "Rob I have got fire burning and my hands are shaking - it is in my bones!". He said; "Fini and Rob - what is this?! I never want it to go away - it's so good!". Freedom from years of discouragement!

No more beating himself up for being a failure - just full of faith! Why? He had a glory encounter. He didn't hear a good sermon. He had an encounter with the living God.

Tony and I planted a church in Perth from Coastlands and when he got back to his church he couldn't preach. The glory just fell and his wife Robyn was a very conservative lady and she got so slammed in Sydney Glory and Grace that she got oil pouring from her hands when she got back to Perth. Obviously many people had got gold dust. We got so many reports of churches that were changed. It finished on the Friday and I preached on the Sunday into Fini's church and on Monday and Tuesday we were already getting emails of what had happened. I love it when pastors and churches are changed but it is really about individuals getting set free!

I want to read you this one - and I have got a lot - this is from a little girl called Emma who is 15 years old and lives in Sydney and she goes to the "Glorious Gospel Church" - I know that church and have preached there many times. 15 years of age. She said;

"My mum is a Christian and I have been going to church and youth on a regular basis. I understood what God can do and how He can radically change someone's life but I never tasted God and so desperately wanted to".

Doesn't that describe so many Christians? They know about God but they don't know God. They have not tasted God. They think they know God but they don't know God because if you know God then the love you have for Him and the passion you live for - the passion for the glory realm will consume you in every day mundane life. Not just a Sunday morning! She said; "I had heard about God but never tasted Him!". All cerebral information - intellectual. That's why the teaching Ryan gave last week is so good on sanctification - spirit, soul and body.

She said; "I have been dealing with depression for 3 years and over the past year and a half it became more severe and cutting got more serious". I don't know if you know this but cutting is a major thing among young in the Western world. They start cutting themselves - it is a big guilt thing in Australia and the UK. She says; "And I began to drink and smoke. I was at my lowest point at the beginning of the year - my boyfriend of 2 years broke up with me and I contemplated suicide. My mum knew what I was dealing with but didn't know how to help me. My leaders at the church also knew about it but didn't know how serious it was because whenever they asked me how it was, I lied and what was going on - would never be honest with them. My mum constantly offered for me to get counselling but I always refused to go".

"I got to a place where I was going nowhere and allowed my mum to get me to go to counselling. I was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress". Now I really have concern with psychologists just putting a name on something and not having answers for it. "PTS - it began to get worse. I would hallucinate at times and get very agitated and nervous. I just thought that something was out to get me. I tended your "Grace and Glory Conference" on the Thursday night and was so touched on what Rob spoke about".

Now all jokes aside about how long I preach - that night I spoke for 2 hours. You could have heard a pin drop. You must remember that the 100's of people who were there have not been exposed to the message I preach here. Dozens came after with tears in their eyes and said; "I didn't know it was that good". They sucked it out of me and saw it before eyes! This is a 15 year old who can sit through a 2 hour teaching and say "I was really touched by it".

"I went again on Friday night - at the start I pictured me skiing down a hill and kept stumbling and falling over. I was crying and felt so hopeless. As I humbled myself to God, my back felt like it could hold me up again without feeling like a rock was holding me down. My heart felt so full and some of my scars began to disappear. I was so amazed at what the glory of God can do. Just as we were finished praying I got a vision of me skiing down a hill again and not once did I cry or fall. I was skiing with a massive smile on my face and knowing that God was next to me and I didn't have to worry about if I fell because He would pick me up. I walked out with my head held high - I felt like the years of loneliness had gone. The years of disappointment in my self has gone. The pain has gone! My tears were filled with laughter that God had healed me and I have never been so happy! I went again on Saturday morning and was blown away at what God can do. I went to church this morning with a smile and worshipped and jumped around thanking God for changing my life! My addiction to cigarettes has gone!".

Just remember that cigarettes are the highest addiction - nicotene is a high level addiction. You go without cigarettes for one to two days and you will know about it!

"My addiction to cigarettes has gone and I haven't craved one since Friday night. This conference has radically changed my life and I saw how it has changed a lot of people's lives. Cheers guys! Emma!". Give the Lord a clap! Right at the end of the conference I was trying to get out the door and there was a guy in his early 20's who came up to me. I didn't recognise him - he had tears in his eyes and I was tired and wanted to get out. He said "Rob - do you recognise me?". I said "No I don't". He said; "I am the guy - remember you were in Australia last November and I did a men's camp and preached morning and evening in Coastlands church. I am the guy you prayed for". I said; "Oh I do remember - but you look so different!". At the last session in Coastlands I was heading for the side door and out the hall and his mother grabbed me. I had known them for years because they had been in the church in the years I had led it.

She grabbed me and was traumatised and said that Matthew had blinding headaches because of an inoperable tumour on the brain. They couldn't operate and it was fatal. They said he would have blinding headaches and as the time went by, the headaches began and he was on high painkillers and intense headaches. They said the next stage was loss of memory and a coma and then death. It was inoperable. So I was tired and (I want to show you how God works) said "Sure" moved with compassion. The power of God knocked him clean off his feet and he went down and you could see he was super-dosed! I stood over him for about five minutes continuing to pray and then walked out.

Now this is Matthew and he said; "Do you know - that was four months ago and I haven't had one single symptom or headache". I said; "Now Matthew are you sure you didn't have just one small headache?!". He said; "Not a single one. For four and a half months!". He is going for a scan in April and he has told his doctors what has happened. His mum comes in and is just sweeping me off my feet. She said; "His eyes have changed" so obviously his eyes were affected. I didn't recognise him.

I don't mind if people think I am a nut for wanting the glory of God - the manifestations, the signs, the wonders, people falling. I don't care what they think! I am going to take them to Matthew and say; "Come bring your intellectual religion and put your empty hands on his head and see what you can do! Come try and encourage a man who feels such a failure and is now full of God. Come and try and deal with the young people of Australia and Hong Kong who are actually suicidal and depressed and are suffering all kinds of weird things behind the doors! Come bring your religion and your clever counsel to them and see what you can do. This is the power of God friends!". God changing people's lives!

Let me finish by saying that after the conference finished we went across to Bill Johnson's. It is worth you getting those conference CD's by the way. You can download them straight off our website. We are also putting the Hong Kong "Glory and Grace Conference" teachings on our website so they can all be downloaded for free now. We went to Bill Johnson and it was such a blessing honestly. Just to sit for four days under his ministry. Friends of mine got me a chair right in the second row - Glenda and I. They get there early and we were sitting right there. When I go to hear someone who is further down the road than me I don't want to just sit in the back row there. I don't even like the second row or even the first row. I just want to walk up and down alongside of him while he was talking and follow what he is doing! I was so jealous of him because he just talks like a Papa and I scream and shout because that is the way I am wired. He will say something and then not even talk for 5 minutes and just stand there looking at you.

I am sitting there and most of what he said I had heard before but there were a few things he said that were new to me. I don't mind if I hear it over and over again by the way because you need to hear truth over and over and over!

But he said, there is a civil war coming to the church and brother will fight brother on the issue of the goodness of God. It is an issue of law and grace - those that are standing for preaching the law and condemnation and those that are preaching the goodness of God. There are people preaching that God is bringing the storms and God is shaking the world and God is killing people with storms. Bill Johnson said - did you EVER see Jesus bless a storm?! No, He commanded them to stop! And He expects the Church to do the same thing!

You say oh rubbish Rob! Well what did He say when they woke Him up? He said, "Oh ye of little faith" - He wanted them to do it! So civil war is coming to the church - and I can just feel it. It is an issue of law and grace - it is an issue of the goodness of God. Bill said there are people preaching that God gives you cancer. That is a LIE! Jesus is perfect Theology and He healed them ALL! Every person! So did the Book of Acts in Acts 5. He said;

"I hope the civil war takes place in the right context and not for the world to watch".

Then he spoke about restoration - and I am not going to teach on everything he said. I know what you want me to get onto - that I had lunch with him! Okay I am getting there now! I am nearly finished! Lucky I am secure when I walk in this morning! It was not; "Oh hello Rob how are you?" - it was; "Oh I want Bill Johnson's anointing from you!". That is okay and I am secure about that!

I want everything God will give me! I want to pastor a desperately hungry people for God and that is what is happening in this church! Some of you are getting fantastically hungry and that is so lovely!

(*Rob gets overcome by laughter!*).

Bill Johnson's church (as best as I know) has seen every kind of disease healed supernaturally. They see cancers healed regularly. His dad died of cancer and he developed a hatred for cancer like I have a hatred for cancer. My dad died of cancer too. So they have brought down the level of cancer because they have a cancer hospital in their city in Reading, California and they have brought the cancer cases down by 80%.

So a church can change the atmosphere! You can have divine atmospheres that began to hang over a region because there are churches there that are hungry for God. They are not just Sunday morning attenders and are religious. They are hungry and contending for God's will to be brought into this world.

They see bi-polar healed regularly now and mental disease healed. They have seen fingers that weren't there grow out and many body parts replaced. They have revelation that God has got a body part department in heaven and many of their people have been into heaven and seen the spare body parts room! Hundreds and hundreds of their people pray for the sick regularly in the streets.

One lady was ministering in the team and one person came up without a patella (a kneecap). She said; "Oh I don't have a kneecap - my knee is all messed up". The lady from the church said; "Oh that's no problem - I will just reach into the spare parts room in heaven ... oh I have got it now". And she put her hand on the woman's knee who started screaming because the whole new patella was there!

Now if God created your DNA and your genetics and all of that then surely He can replace missing body parts? In fact God was a Creator before He became a Healer! Healing had to start because of the fall of the planet into corruption but He was a Creator before then so if you get recurring kidney problems and you get healed and then get it back and then get healed and get it back then God want to give you just new kidneys!

You will never get new kidneys just in the anointing - you have got to get into the glory realm. When we get into the glory realm, all this huffing and puffing and begging and pleading for people to get healed will be all over. Sit in the glory for a while and you just get healed! You just get healed in the glory - it is easy!

Hong Kong doesn't have one church like that yet. Not one! Not even one! But it is going to have many. All it takes is just one Roger Bannister to break the four minute mile and then hundreds start doing it. Why are we being opposed from the invisible realm? Because the devil knows just one church breaks through into the glory and sustains it week after week and month after month and there will be many other churches that will. And what has happened in Australia this last week will happen to precious Hong Kong Chinese people. This city desperately needs it - and would you say "Amen" just looking around?!

So what they are doing is that they do not have crusades. They just have normal church like the book of Acts church was. They have healings in their meetings and they get people fly in from all over the world to their church and get healed. Not everyone - some people don't get healed. He is very honest about that. His eldest son is deaf in the one ear - and he is refreshingly honest about their failures as well. How many of you have had failures in praying for the sick? Me - lots! Most of their healings take place in the market place and in the street. People say; "Where's your market place programme" and he says; "We haven't got one! Our people are trained and inspired to pray for the sick and any sick person is open game - a legal target". So some of their people for recreation go and sick in the Emergency wards and wait for people to come in and then say; "Holy Spirit lead me" and then go up and pray for the sick and then people get healed and they don't need to go in! This is happening all the time!

When you first hear this you think they are exaggerating! When you hear Joshua Mills talk about teleporting in the Spirit - when you first hear that you think he has got to be a liar. Someone has got catch this guy - he is fradulent! Then you realise you can't keep doing this year after year. It is happening! Joshua Mills is coming here!

I wish I could tell you story after story! There was a guy in Bill Johnson's church who was flying back from the UK and was tired and just wanted to read a book and go to sleep. An air stewardess spilt a drink on his white t-shirt by accident and he said he was feeling so angry! He said it was just as well he was gracious about it because of what happened next. He got cleaned up and looked across and saw a woman sitting along the row. The Holy Spirit said that woman has had back problems for about 2 weeks - go pray for her. He said, oh Lord here we go. So he moved across to her and said, "Lady did you have an accident about two weeks" and she said, "How did you know?!". He said he was just sitting there and the Holy Spirit told me. He prayed for her and she fell under the power at 30, 000 feet!

One of the air hostesses came running over and said, "Is she okay? Do we need a doctor?!". He said, "No - no she is okay". So then he told her that she had a back problem and he had prayed for her. The woman got up and was saying; "It's healed - it's healed!". She takes over from him and starts preaching to the air hostess saying; "I had a back problem and he came and prayed for me and now I am healed!". So the air hostess says; "I have a back problem too - would you pray for me!?". So he says; "Sure I can do that!". She says; "Do I have to fall down?". And he says; "No you don't have to fall down! You may or may not - it doesn't matter!". So the air hostess gets healed and goes on the intercom and says; "God is in the plane and He is healing people and if you need healing come to aisle whatever, seat whatever!". And now they are lining up and so there people coming and a big British guy comes and says "I will be your catcher!".

So they are having church on a plane at 30, 000 feet! He preaches the Gospel and five people give their lives to Christ! If you are bored just check how far you are from Jesus! This is an ordinary man! We have robbed the church by thinking this is the ministry! YOU are the ministers - the called of God - the signs and wonders people! The Holy Spirit is inside you and wants out onto the world onto people like Emma with depression for 3 years!

So Bill was talking about God restoring - but God will often do the natural first and then the supernatural second. He gives the natural signs first to get our attention and then the prophetic.

In the prophetic God gets your attention as to what He is up to. The prophet's question is always; "What are You upto now Lord!?". You cannot co operate with God unless you know what He is up to! If you don't know what He is up to then you can walk through life as though God never even existed! A Christian can then live like an atheist with no faith for miracles and live like practical atheists.
If you don't know what God is upto then you cannot co-operate with God! So God started showing in the natural that He would restore things to people that they had lost! For example Bill had a friend called Bob Jones who is a high level prophet in the earth today and would put all the psychics to shame and the counterfeit psychics who foretell the future. Operating by demons.

The Spirit of God is the only authentic voice of prophecy.

Bob Jones gave this friend of Bill's a fantastic penknife and he lost it. He went back to his hotel room and was sitting on his bed and he says; "Lord I want my penknife back! Bob gave me it and it is special!". As he said that the penknife appears up in the air and drops onto his bed! Some of you as you heard that went "No - didn't happen!". Examine why your first reaction is one of disbelief. That means you have a preconceived worldview so that anything that affects your worldview, you then dismiss it - no matter what other evidence may come out. So while Bill is talking about this penknife - a guy goes home and he has lost his wallet about 2 weeks ago! He comes together with his family and they hold hands and say; "Father - I want my wallet back!". The wallet drops out of the sky and onto the table!

Now there is a thing in the church where people are asking for their penknives back and briefcases, money in their accounts - MONEY! Where they have been defrauded and money comes back in their accounts! Now people are saying what is this? And God speaks to Bill and says;

"I am restoring all things. I am doing it in the natural and I will do it in the spiritual. The book of Acts church is being restored in the earth today. Signs, wonders, miracles and manifestations".

Having said all that I will finish with this. I have got some wonderful sons in Australia and it was such a joy to see them. Guys like Chad and boys and were all trying to hook me up with Bill. So I said; "Guys - back off. I know what Bill's schedule is like".

In the Christian world there are people who are into the celebrity thing. If you preach to crowds of thousands, then people think that you are a celebrity and they want to have surrogate second-hand value through association with you. That is sick. That is actually sick. There is something seriously wrong with that.

I get sick to the gut seeing how secular stars get worshipped by people when those people are on all kinds of drugs and their lives are a mess! Many of them. The newspapers making money to tell us the sordid details of famous people when we should be praying for them that God would save them and God loves them and protects them.

A dear Australia guy - what's his name? Heath Ledger. He lived at Brontes Beach and couldn't even come out his house because everyone follows him. He goes to the toilet and needs a Saviour like everyone else! And we have got that in the Kingdom. "Oh that's a celebrity - will you please sign my book!?". So I said; "No I don't want to bother Bill - I just want to sit and receive. Why should he come and speak to me!?". "Well he's a reformer and you are a reformer! If God wants to set it up, He will set it up. I am not pushing for a date! The guy is exhausted and it is abusive eventually you know!".

So anyway on the very last session, it is coming to an end and Bill is speaking and I am sitting behind the host - the senior pastor - who hosted this conference. I never met him in my life or spoken to him once. I only know now that his name is David Crabtree. Bill is winding up and suddenly David turns around and speaks to me for the very first time - he doesn't know me and he says; "Would you like to have lunch with Bill today?". So I said; "Let me just check my diary!!". I said; "I would very much like to do that with my wife - thank you very much". So he says; "Go up to the room afterwards and you can have lunch". So I am thinking there will be 50 pastors there. I go up there with Glenda and it is just Bill in the room and one attendant serving us a lovely meal.

So I say hello to Bill and go and get my food very quietly. He is already eating and I sit down on the couch next to him and Glenda is next to me. And he just sits there quietly eating. I thought; "I like this man! He doesn't feel any pressure - he is so secure. He doesn't have to pretend". You know the jabberers?! He is just eating! So I am just eating - 5-10 minutes. Glenda is now kicking me under the table! "Say something! Introduce yourself!". I look at her with fire in my eyes; "Back off - everyone has been trying to force this and God will make it happen". So after about 10 minutes I turned to Bill and said; "Bill I believe you like hunting and fishing. So do I!". His eyes just lit up - someone who is not going to talk church though! He starts talking to me about rifles and talks about his full fridge and his fly fishing and his hunting!

At the end of that I said, "Bill you know at the end of 1981 we had a visitation from God with signs and wonders". He said, "81?! Wow - 81!". "It lasted 18 months and then it began to lift. God said it would come back again at a future time. I have lived so hungry for more of God. I have lived so hungry! I have said to God many times, 'God you either take this - give me the answer to this hunger and give me the increased Presence and increased glory and increased signs and wonders or if you are not going to give it to me God, then take it away because the hunger is driving me mad!". And I said;

"God if you aren't going to do that then take me home because I have no reason to live on this earth unless I can manifest the ministry of Jesus".

His eyes filled up with tears and he said; "That is exactly how I feel! That is EXACTLY how I feel! I am so consumed with God's world and who He is". I said; "Bill would you please pray for me?".

Because you see there is a transfer - what a man has taken 30 years to accumulate, it can be given to you in 5 seconds through the transfer.

Christians say; "Oh we don't run after signs and wonders - they run after us". But Bill Johnson says; "If they are not running after you then you run after them until they run after you". He said; "I went everywhere in the world where there were men and women ministries I put myself under". It is just a matter of humility! He has been prayed for many ministries in the world.

He said; "Rob I would be absolutely delighted to pray for you and your wife". So we talked a little bit more about hunting and then he said; "Let's do it now". So Glenda and I stood up in front of this couch and he came and stood and lifted both hands. I am not lying - I tell the truth. As he stood there I felt a wall of solid glory and it wasn't on me yet but as I stood there I could feel it emenating towards me. I haven't felt it for a long time that strong! As he lifted his hands it shot towards us and we both fell backwards onto the couch. I went; "Wowwww" and Glenda went; "Wow!". Then she was gone and this glory was all over us.

We staggered up eventually and went across the room to give him a hug and Glenda said; "When you laid your finger on me - my head was like I got shot with electricity". He said; "Oh yere - yere that happens!". We gave him a hug and walked out. So how many of you are hungry for the anointing?! Let's stand together. Let's lift our hearts before heaven. Your hunger must exceed your fear of man and your pride. There's not one of us who doesn't have some sort of pride in our life - trying to impress people. I am impressed with Jesus. Bill Johnson is an awesome man but I am impressed with Jesus. The way Bill ministers he looks a lot like Jesus. But that happens when you spend a long time with Jesus. He is re-presenting Jesus. You look like Him and the power starts flowing out from him like Jesus.

Lift your hands to heaven. Father we worship you. We thank You Father that we are a generation that have come into that season.

Thursday, 10 April 2008

A New Blog from Grace and Glory Conference in Sydney!!

Many thanks to my friend Julie for this link (who is on her way to Hong Hong as we speak!) - this blogger has been in Sydney at the "Grace and Glory Conference" under the ministry of Rob Rufus and Fini and Isi de Gersigny! I LOVE his blog description!

"Grace Revolution is a blogsite dedicated to proclaming the message of the Good News of Grace to the Ends of the earth (Mk 16:15-20; 2Tim 4:5) It is time to fight for our freedom from religious traditions and controls of men, and lay down our lives for this message of Grace which Paul preached! Will you join me in this revolution by lifestyle and proclamation? We offer theoretical, practical hands-on street evangelism training, also uses creative tools to proclaim the gospel with power".

So far we have three awesome blogs:


"ANYTHING that puts a new covenant believer under the pressure to perform to earn or deserve the blessings, is THE LAW".

"For the believer the law does not MAKE YOU CONSCIOUS OF SIN, THE LAW TESTIFIES THAT YOU HAVE A RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT IS APART FROM THE LAW! That TRUTH should make you FREE!".


"Services in the morning start 9:30am, and one time we were so much under the glory we didnt' go home until 3:30pm! night services start from 7pm to about 10pm. Glory glory glory! we were so close to God, at times I swear i could feel angels were there even though I never saw them".

"Other signs and wonders were that this lady got a platinum filling in her tooth! someone had a word of knowledge for a filling on a left tooth, and then she discverd she has been filled with platinum! One guy I was having coffee with, all of a suden discovered that he has gold tooth! completely gold, it was silver filling before, definintely not a whole tooth!!".

"We just sought after His Face, His Glory, by His Righteousness His Grace, we could draw as close to God as we like. I wasn't seeking after the signs, but the bible clearing declares that God is miracle working God and He confirms His Word with various miracles and signs and wonders by His Spirit".


An excellent video clip of outreach!

I for one will certainly be following this awesome blog!