Becoming a Lightning Conductor!

One of the things that makes this sermon particularly wonderful was the time that Rob took to report on his recent trip to Dubai. It's well worth the careful read! I had goosebumps while I was typing this out. The implications of actually becoming a heavenly lightning conductor in our locality - is just amazing!

So here is; "Becoming a Lightning Conductor!" preached by Rob on Sunday 15th February 2009.

It's good to be back. We had a great trip but it's always good to be home and it is always wonderful to say when you are preaching in other nations that if you want to see how these truths are embodied in a community then just look to Hong Kong and you will see a group of people who are progressively living this more and more and more. So I do boast about you with integrity! Because some people will say "Okay we will take you up" and they will come and check out what I am saying and they will find a people that are after God's heart and love Him and love one another And who are generous in their giving and in their commitment to China. Many are here not out of convinience or to make money but have come from other nations to be based here to serve the purposes of God. So I do boast in you and you are well worth boasting about! "Glory and Grace" is going to be glorious!

After preaching in Dubai there, there were people from the Middle East who came to me afterwards and said "We have decided today that we are coming to Glory and Grace! We have GOT to learn more about this stuff! We have got to get into this stuff!". Then Patricia King gave us $1000 Canadian dollars which is about 7000 Hong Kong for "Glory and Grace" and she advertised through her email mailing list which goes to thousands of people around the world and encouraged them to come. She said that Joshua Mills and Fini and Isi and Rob and Glenda Rufus will be here and she gave a write up on each of us and said that Joshua is feeling that is well worth people coming because this is going to be a "unusual" time with God! So God is backing these things! Mentally I am challenged about these things - my heart is at rest and our God can sort this but my head gets worried every now and then because I said with my big mouth that if we don't make budget then I will make it up from my pocket. We could have a several hundred dollar defecit. So thank you Patricia!

Open your Bibles to Matthew 6.

Some of you know that we were in Dubai for 6 days. They put me up in this beautiful hotel and it was embarressing! I said this year that God is going to bless us so much that we will get embarressed and feel guilty. They put me up for 10 days in this huge hotel room with a massive lounge and flat tv screen. A big kitchen and entrance hall. Two bathrooms! I got on the phone and said first thing; "Glenda you have GOT to get here!". It was an incredible blessing. We went to some of Bill Johnson's meetings - he was in town and then we had lunch with him which was great. Then we spent four days with some friends I have known for 20 years. We just sat together talking about how we can ally in global partnership to see this gospel get to the multitudes and how we can plant churches.

And there is a whole new way of doing apostolic ministry. There is a whole fresh way that is taking place at the same time that denominations are disintegrating and religious institutions are fading as something of a post-modern thing. Something new is breaking into the earth that is more connected to the book of Acts and the church birthed by Jesus.

And we brain stormed and worked for hours a day and it was very exciting seeing God give new fresh ideas on how to do church. Not just local church but how to work with apostles, prophets, evangelists and teachers that are in the earth now and how to recognise these gifts and how to best position themselves with one another. No more Popes, or denominational heads or one static leader of an organisation! But different leaders with different giftings in different contexts lead with those - so it is dynamic and not static!

Then we spent five days doing a "Power Encounters" conference for pastors and leaders from all over the Middle East. Someone asked if I got a great download from Bill Johnson and it was great being there but the greatest download was from a man called Kia Taylor who I have known for 20 years and Kia before he was a Christian was in the Zulu scouts that fought in the Rhodesian War. His group - 70 of them - went in against 5000 soldiers. That sounds like biblical stuff doesn't it?! They coloured themselves in the colour of the enemy which was cheating and is horrible actually and broke his heart but he wasn't saved. They went in with big machine guns and drove in and they just opened up fire. They killed 3000 men. In the middle of that he was shot through his hips - a fatal wound and was bleeding over the jeep - and he said "God if You are real then save me". And he said with the smell of cordite, blood and death the power of God came on him. People think God can't come on the streets or in an evil temple. They are wrong! His whole unit got out and he was the only one shot. Now he goes back into those areas to love those people and take food and supplies and care for the orphans with great signs, wonders and miracles.

But he stood up with such authority as an evangelist and there was such power on him with such urgency and he kind of rebuked us but in a way you thought; "Hit us again - that really feels good!". With the urgency of heaven pressing in while the multitudes are lost.

And while he was speaking I saw into the realm of the Spirit and I saw multiple mantles - layers of mantles of power on him and God said; "Those are up for grabs today so when Kia invites people forward then you go forward to get a greater evangelist anointing". Because you can catch these anointings!

Kia had said to me before the meeting; "Rob when I am done and invite people to come forward, I want you to come and pray with me because you have got faith". So when he said "Come up" I just went forward and stood in the crowd with my head bowed! He said "No Rob come up!" and I said "No way!" because I had seen those mantles upon him! And I was knocked flying off my feet and was on the ground for at least half an hour to forty five minutes just having heaven's voltage bouncing through me - seeing visions of China and having people coming up and prophesying over me. When I got up I was a changed man! Divine encounters! I went there to preach divine encounters but I was ambushed by God by an ex-Zulu scout! He shot me and some of the flesh died there and more of a heart to see billions of Chinese people saved!

I wept for most of that forty five minutes as God's love touched my heart! You are not going to reach the multitudes out there by trying to love. If you don't know how much God loves you then you will never make the sacrifice. When you know how much He loves YOU then you are willing to give up everything to follow Him. And you can't give up everything because the more you try to give up then the more He gives and He puts you in these expensive hotels and so on and blesses you! He wants to bless you because He loves you! He doesn't want to bless me because of my fasting and how holy I am! No! He wants to bless you because He loves you! Some people fast a lot and look very holy but they have got no blessing! In fact they suck the blessing out of the atmosphere as soon as they walk in and bring death and negativity and gloom!

It was such a joy to be there and have many pastors come to me and say "Rob where did you get this stuff from?! We have never heard this! We have been leaders for years and that is in the Bible! It is so obvious!". I got it from my heavenly Father! Same as Ryan last week! He didn't get that from his earthly dad because I was learning when I was listening to it at 02:00 this morning with jet lag! I was listening to Ryan's message from last Sunday! I was learning and had never seen that! When we come to preaching with a heart of humility we can truly learn - you will never learn anything unless you come and say "God I don't know!". The more I think I know, the more I realise I don't know!

There is so much to learn - all the things we have learnt in the past we have to unlearn and then relearn what God is saying. We have to unlearn the traditions of men that have been in the Church for one and a half thousand years. The Church hasn't been in a place of great revelation for 1, 500 years! It has been in a place of great tradition, great unbelief, of everything that strips signs, wonders, miracles and healings have been operating for that long. You don't step out and learn after 1, 500 years of religious lies and learn how to do signs and wonders just like that. It is a process of humility and constantly learning.

On Friday morning I preached there on how faith operates and how to release the anointing. And at the end they gave me three hours to preach! These people have come from all over the Middle East and arrived dry and burnt out after working in the Middle East!

So I then said "There are people who know how to be lightning conductors" - which is what I want to talk on today. How to be a Lightning Conductor. Heaven's Lightning Conductor of Faith. What is faith? Faith is conducting heaven's influence into the earth. That is all faith is. All faith does is to conduct heaven's influence into the earth.

You either have faith or you don't have faith and if you don't have faith then all you do is have an exchange of an earthly realm. You fellowship with the earthly realm, with the natural realm, with what you can smell, what you can hear, what you can taste, what you can feel and think with your brain. It is mere human encounter with earthly experiences. There is nothing wrong with earthly experiences because God creates the cosmos - but a Christian lives in both worlds simultaneously. We are citizens of heaven, we are seated in heavenly places, we are heavenly people and ambassadors of a heavenly kingdom bringing heaven into the earth.

Because heaven once ruled the earth. In the Garden of Eden the fullness of the kingdom ruled the earth. When undiluted heaven ruled the earth there were no famines, no wars, no sickness, the cosmos was perfect, no hatred or economic downturns - perfection! That is heaven and earth co labouring. Earth's condition was made the same as Heaven's condition. Earth was made in the image of heaven! You were created in the image of God and earth was created in the image of heaven and when Adam committed high treason against God, then heaven left and Satan became the Governor of this earth, he became the ruler of this world the Bible says. He is the one causing the wars and the storms.

How many storms did Jesus look at coming at Him or at a town or a country and say; "Praise God for the storm - it will bless that city with destruction and evil and kill people and it will teach people to be more godly and they are going to repent!". No! How many storms did Jesus bless? Not one! To every storm He said; "Peace be still! Stop it!". It is such nonsense - He was causing no storms. The insurance companies talk about "An act of God" - what a lie against our Father in heaven! Demonic storms!

To train God's people how not to just be earthly and go about their lives like practical atheists trying to sort out the problems on natural counselling and earthly wisdom - you may be born again and live like an atheist. But Christians - sons of God - are those that conduct heaven's influence into the earth. One day the Bible promises that at the end of this age "the kingdoms of this earth will become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ". Every nation will give up their President and King and Jesus will be once again the Governor of all nations and of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end! For the government will be on His shoulders! The Prince of peace!

That will be at the end of the age - not the end of earth! The end of the age of evil governing the earth! In the meantime God says we are to occupy and advance the kingdom and bring as much of heaven's influence into the earth as we can. There is no sickness in heaven! When you bring heaven's influence into the earth then sickness goes away! When you come into a radiation zone called "Heaven on Earth" then it manifests healing!

The trouble is that most Christians don't know a thing about what I have just said. They don't know how to conduct and don't have the conciousness to conduct or release the anointing. Their unbelief is binding and hindering and putting the breaks on heaven coming in!

Because it is not a matter of getting the heavens open. Jesus did that at the Cross! The problem is closed religious heads.

So as you preach the Word, heads get renewed to how you think and then changes the way to how heaven influences us and if you have got 70% of the people in the room knowing how to conduct heaven in it then you have got a 7/10 power. But most congregations - the best that you can get from most congregations is about 20% in those congregations who know how to conduct heaven into the meeting. The power is therefore operating at a 2/10. You can get the odd deaf ear opened but you aren't going to get cripples jumping out of chairs or mighty works. That is the Nazareth syndrome!

Jesus went to His home town and Mark 5 says that He could there do no mighty works. I love quoting that because it just smacks into people's heads! It can't be Jesus - surely He could do anything!? Well go read Mark 5. It says He COULD there do no mighty works! Apart from a few minor ailments and the next verse says that He marvelled at their unbelief. I love that!

Because I have been in some places where it was so easy to do miracles and I have succeeded better than Jesus did in Nazareth!

Do you think that is arrogant? No it's not! Listen to my point! I have been in some places where I got better results than Jesus did at Nazareth! Think about it! I went to a place where70% of the sick were healed in that meeting. But those leaders had 20 years of grace teaching under Terry Virgo. So their hearts weren't under law - the law is not based on faith - they weren't under condemnation ("I am not worthy") and they became conductors. When you know grace you can say "Father I don't care how much I messed up - I am the righteousness of God in Christ and therefore I am a conductor! I have a conciousness of certainity of what I am in Christ!". So Jesus didn't get 70%! I got mighty works and miracles - people came out of wheelchairs! Much more than Jesus got in Nazareth! What is that saying? That Jesus was subject to the same limitations as you and I are!

He couldn't just get miracles wherever He went and it didn't matter how desperate people were! "Look my brother or my sister is going to die if they don't get healed of this cancer". Sorry I can't do here any mighty works. There are not enough heavenly conductors - this crowd is full of bitterness, offended, religious, self-righteous and arrogant! And until you kill all those people you won't get any results! So I told the people in Hong Kong that I am not looking for a big congregation! I am preaching to offend the religious! They won't stay long and it breaks my heart! But it is worth the price because I want a congregation one day that are 100% of the members are all conductors! Then we will get 100% of miracles!

Can you see how easy this thing is? You say "Well Rob what happens if a lot of visitors come who don't know about this?". If we get 100% of conductors then it doesn't matter how many visitors come in with unbelief they will get healed whether they want to or not because there is enough divine radiation within the zone! Even if they want to be depressed and like being depressed then they will get joyfully laughing and can't stay depressed in a divine radiation zone! But if you only have 5% of the people as divine conductors then you have got the Nazareth syndrome there and Jesus Himself could be in the meeting and He can't do mighty works.

So there were dozens of people needing to be healed in this meeting on Friday morning. And I said; "Okay I am going to call all the conductors up". Not the people who WANT to be conductors - although that is a noble thing. "All of you who KNOW and you just hear the word "anointing" and something gets triggered inside them! They just get triggered by words like the anointing, the glory realm, heavens!". You see goosebumps starting and it is not just emotion! It is tangible heavenly voltage - electricity from heaven!

So about 100 people came out from a pretty big crowd - the place was packed and there were people everywhere up the aisles. I released the anointing over them and then I got the international team to come and lay hands. About half of them were flat out on the floor bouncing around and unconcious and I said "Pick them up and carry them back into the crowd and position them all over the crowd". It was unusual stuff! You don't learn this stuff in Bible school but they don't get miracles either!

They got among the crowd and I said "Okay we have got these conductors all over the meeting pulling heaven into the meeting. NOW we are going to pray for the sick". I called Kia Taylor up and I said "We are not going to pray for the sick of course - we are going to SPEAK to the sickness and command it to go". So I said to him; "You go and pray" and I got revelations of blood diseases. We got 40 people INSTANTLY able to verify that change had taken place in their body. Others had to go to the doctors and get it verifed because they won't know until it is checked. 40 people instantly said yes I have been healed!

After that meeting Chris and Merrill took me out to lunch in a beautiful resturant and it was a South African resturant selling SA meat in the Middle East! So we came to try and pay and the waiter said no you can't pay - that table over there have paid for you! And I thought this is definately heaven on earth - blessings that are an embarressment! Do it more Lord! So we walked over to the table and there were a whole bunch of leaders who had come to the conference and said they just wanted to bless us. One lady said "Look at my shoulder! I couldn't lift it up and now it is healed!". And someone else had a crippled ankle! And I just thought; "This is the normal Christian life - how every Christian should walk because faith is conducting heaven's influence into the earth!".

You don't have to have faith to get someone healed. You don't have to have faith to get a blind eye opened. I don't have faith to get a blind eye healed - yet God has used me to heal blind eyes over the years. I don't have faith to heal the blind! But what I have faith for is to release heaven's influence. Heaven has got the faith to heal blind eyes!

If you look at someone's blind eye then your mind will take over and you will say "Logically and medically this can't happen!". So don't worry about having faith! I am telling you the secrets of the trade here! If you look at a cripple don't try and drum up the faith! All you will do is psych your non-supernatural soul up.

Your spirit is supernatural and is the riverbed of the Holy Spirit's power.

You will psych up only that which is natural and earthly and it is pathetic! The natural soul can't touch heaven but your spirit can! Don't be passive either!

It is a conciousness of certainity that doesn't come by clever instructions but comes by being exposed to the message of grace.

Too many pastors teach the message of grace and they sit there and analyse and think "Okay what does this mean?". They haven't heard it properly! "Okay Rob how do we then discipline people who are immoral in the church?". Shut up! There is a place for disciplining predators who are immoral or who are stealing by guilt manipulation or seducing people into bed who are not their husbands or wives. There is a place for discipline. If your first thought when you hear the message of grace is but how do I discipline sin then you are still under such bondage - forget about what you do and just forget about the practical outworkings and let the message renew your soul and let it renew the way you think and you will then instinctively know how to discipline. You will do it redemptively and you will do it protectively and you will do it to keep them secure and you will protect a whole church while you are dealing with a few predators.

So the whole church is safe but you have been slapping people so hard as the pastor and you think you are a moral policeman and you have got to keep the church from sinning! That is not your job! It is the job of the Holy Spirit who can move out on the congregation and even the Holy Spirit can't stop everyone from sinning! Because everyone in the church still sins! If you bring the law back on God's people then that sinning goes out of control and gossip, envy will grow alongside the sexual predators!

So don't worry about it! Just let the message work into you! "How do I pray for someone in a wheelchair?". Don't worry about it!

Did you get Matthew 6? Let's read this. (v9-10); "Your Kingdom come" - Your government, Your rule, Your influence. "Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven". That is very clear what the will of God is! His will is that as things are in heaven so they should be done on earth! That is why Jesus came to mediate between heaven and earth and bring heaven into the earth. How do you do that? (6:28). You don't worry about what is lacking in the earth because heaven has got resources that supply all your needs. Out of the riches of His glory He meets all your needs - not according to your needs but according to His riches in the glory realm! The heavenly concious people are very earthly good!

"Oh he is so heavenly minded he is of no earthly good". No he was just religious and legalistic bigot. The more heavenly minded you are the more earthly good you are. Those who bring heaven's influence will get creative ideas for new inventions and creative scientific ideas that didn't come from logic but from the creativity of heaven! Heaven knows every answer to earth's problems! What is unbelief? Unbelief is a conciousness that attempts to govern the earth without heaven's influence. So unbelief actively RESISTS the power of God. Because the power of God brings heaven in. Unbelief is partnership with Satan not wanting heavens influence into the world. Why doesn't he want heaven's influence in the earth? Because he was Lucifier, the covering cherub in heaven and iniquity and selfish ambition was found in his heart and he wanted to rule over God.

Selfish ambition is the origin of unbelief - that is where unbelief comes from. It is all about me. Satan found selfish ambition (which James 3 calls "earthly wisdom". There is a wisdom from heaven and a wisdom from earth. James says where there is selfish ambition, there you will find every kind of evil for earthly wisdom is both sensual and devilish). Earthly reasoning outside of heaven's influence is demonic. It is the origin of unbelief.

Satan wanted to exalt himself over the throneof God. God threw Satan out and he came to the earth and tried to get control without authority. God had given Adam subduing, dominion authority over the earth. So he went to Eve and lied to her and then she came to Adam and he submitted. We cannot be hard on Eve - God put woman in that garden for a very important reason. Adam lost anything then she would help him find! If he needed a doctors appointment, who would tell him to go?! Who was he going to blame after he fell!? Woman fell but God chose woman's womb to give birth to last Adam - Jesus. Women are not more guilty than man - they fell together. Satan made Adam and Even religious and when he deceived them to fall he was able to steal the dominion that God gave them over the earth. So 2 Corinthians 4:4 says that Satan is the god of this world. He had temporarily influence over this earth.

How did the Father remedy this problem? He created this earth to be the image of heaven and put man to have dominion over everything that walks on this planet. Man could speak and things would come into order. Man was a son of God - his words had creative power! Adam was given dominion power so that he could speak and heaven's influence would keep and maintain the garden! There was no sickness, no thorns. After the Fall sweating and curse began. Adam was the Governor of the earth out of his connection to God and Satan stole that. Once Satan stole that, now the earth is under Satan.

What does God do? He could have destroyed the planet and started again! But He wasn't taken by surprise - He knew this was going to happen! How did He remedy it? He remedied it by another Adam who did not get kicked out of heaven for selfish ambition. He was already equal to God but didn't hold onto it as something to be grasped but gave it up and was willing to humble himself and become a man! He became a humble servant not kicked out of heaven but giving up equality voluntarily and coming to elevate every man to the status that first Adam had! And to reintroduce the beauty of heaven's influence on earth!

After Jesus was raised from the dead He could say (because He couldn't say it before) "All authority in heaven and on earth is given to Me - now go in My Name and My authority and influence the entire earth with heaven's influence". Christian religion isn't heaven's influence! Did Jesus say all authority has been given as God or a Man? God ALWAYS had all authority! He said it as a man! As a man He reinherited the authority He gave up as God and now He reinherited it as a man on your behalf so Paul can write to Timothy and say "The MAN Christ Jesus!".

Conductors are not mediators! That is the weird psychic mediums! We are not listening to demonic familiar spirits! We are not mediums! There is only one Mediator - the Man Christ Jesus! As conductors of heavens influence we are conducting what our Mediator has mediated for us! All authority in heaven and on earth to disciple nations!

So many Christians settle for nice religion and a cup of tea and lifting a little pinky and being religious! We were called to change the shape of history and influence the world! Influence politics and education! Influence the way people in sick beds lie!

This year we are going to 7/10 in the power! We have been 2/10 but this year we are going to 7/10! And next year we are going to 10/10!

You can feel it! It is in the atmosphere! The power of God won't get bigger because how do you get bigger than infinite!? It will only come when we get a revelation of the height, breadth, length and width of the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge that is revealed by the Spirit and those that grasp that which was completed at the Cross - when we grasp that not that which comes by knowledge but by revelation by the Spirit then you will be filled beyond measure of all the fullness of God and then God is able to able to do exceedingly above beyond what we ask or think according to the power at work in us! What is that power within us? The power of all the fullness of God - 10/10 - that is which gets every cripple healed, cancer healed, deaf ears opened! He needs congregation all over Hong Kong where everyone in that church are heavenly lightning conductors!

That is what God needs and God wants! We will labour with God and people can spit on us but we will labour with God! The unsaved are my friends! The unsaved pagans are my friends and God's friends! The prostitutes, the homosexuals, the pagans, the Muslims - they are my friends and God's friends! The religious people? They will fight this message but those who are desperate just want relief from their pain and relief from their suffering. They don't want church! They don't want religion! They want miracles! They want God and heaven! They want to go to heaven!

70% of Australians don't go to church that includes the whole bunch! Yet if you speak to the average Australian they want to go to heaven! They just don't want to go to church! And I don't blame them! Church is dangerous! They will gossip about you and judge you and criticise you behind your back!

Legalists are always trying to catch grace people in sin. If they catch you sinning then they will say "It's the message!". The devil says to me; "You better walk so holy man - if you fall the legalists will say; "Yes! Got him!". That' not why I want to walk so holy! Because of the legalists! I want to walk holy because I love Him and He loves me! If I make a mistake and they catch me then I will feel safe in His arms! And I don't care if they catch me!

The legalists caught the woman in adultery and yet they left the man! That's bigoted for a start! They got her in front of Jesus and while they were pointing at her, Jesus wrote in the sand with all their sins.

The legalists who try and catch people in sin - they will be caught in sin themselves! It's going to be a hard year for the legalists - 2009! For many will put their rocks down and join the message!

I thank God for a church where there is vulnerabilty and excess! I'd rather have that any day than works of the flesh!

What defines little faith? People who are more concious of earth than of heaven.

"Seek first the Kingdom and His righteousness (that's His gift!) and ALL these things will be added to you". Your first conciousness should be heaven! This has been preached so manipulatively! "Get more committed!". People aren't really committed - they are just afraid to miss meetings! No! Seek the glorious government of God! The demonic wants to govern the earth in the abscence of heaven's influence!

The only way you can seek a heavenly conciousness is in the Person of the Holy Spirit! You walk and live in the Spirit! And the revelation of My righteousness as a gift to you will act as a magnet to draw blessing to you!

You can store up through hard work but it will all come down. Seek first the conciousness of heaven's realm! The evidence of darkness, evil, sickness, cancer, crippledness, mental problems looks so established and powerful in parts of the earth. But it is fakery! It is illegal illegitimate authority! The only reason that in parts of the earth they look like such bastions of strength is because there is not enough heavenly conductors residing there and pulling heaven's influence into that region of the earth.

The heavens are open but God needs portals. Human believers that seek the Kingdom first are portals.

The existance of darkness does not prove that darkness is so powerful! It just shows that there is not enough light from heaven that has come there. When light is turned on then darkness has to flee at the speed of light! Light is so superior that you bring heaven's light through conductors and it HAS to go! There is no contest between cancer and the light! The contest is in the hearts of believers as to whether they will conduct God's power or not. If people are under the law then they will lose the contest because the Law will tell them they are not worthy enough. But when we stand and realise that we are righteous in Christ and He loves me unconditonally then we know - hey I am a conductor! Heaven can come flashing through me!

What is faith? Faith is a recognition of the total goodness of God - that there is no evil in God - that God is not smashing people or destroying the planet. In heaven every creature has undiluted perfect faith in God's goodness! In the earth - unbelief. They think God is doing these evil things. But those who have faith in the goodness of God become conductors and attract the influence of heaven to come and reorientate their region. "Thy Kingdom come!".

What is my mission? Bring heaven to earth. Yere but should I stay married or single?! Well make up your mind, choose a good one and bring heaven to earth! Should I live in Hong Kong or Perth - make up your mind and go and live in that city or this but bring heaven to earth! Rob I don't know if I am a prophet or a pastor! Well make up your mind and bring heaven to earth! I don't know if I should be a man or a woman! Well make up your mind and bring heaven to earth!! Just check your plumbing out and you will know!

We haven't finished the series on being established in righteousness yet - we will pick it up but we are moving into faith bringing heaven to earth right up until Glory and Grace so that by the time our international delegates come to Glory and Grace there is a congregation here who is conducting heaven's influence into Hong Kong!"

Julie's Videos from the Glory Encounters Conference!!

Many of you may remember how excited I was to be able to support and see my dear friends Julie and Aaron go to Hong Kong earlier this year to the "Glory Encounters Conference". Joshua and Janet Mills and Kaye Beyer were the visiting speakers. Julie wrote a number of reports about their time there here and here.

Well quite by accident I was on You-Tube looking at some videos of Kenneth Hagin and I found that Julie had very secretively posted three videos of their time there! I don't think she has linked to them on her blog yet so I thought I would make mention of them - they need to be seen!

Here's the first video - with the wonderful Bonnie Rufus leading worship. The camera scans past Rob and Glenda and Joshua Mills on the front row;



The second video is slightly dark but it again scans past Rob and Glenda enjoying watching the people of the conference encountering God in powerful ways;



The third video is from the back of the hall and you can see Kaye Beyer and Janet Mills ministering to the people while Joshua plays the keyboard at the front of the hall. I loved this video - it brought back such memories of "Glory and Grace" last year. I climbed on a pile of chairs when I had recovered from the fire tunnel and just sat watching what God was doing to His children so lovingly.



Thank you Julie for faithfully recording these! I am so excited that I will be coming to Hong Kong next March with a proper camcorder also so we can bring back clips of how God is moving and what the glory cloud is doing!

Hong Kong Trip Part 3

Ok, I'm seriously late in posting this, but in my defense we've moved and had my sister's wedding so we've been a little busy. I left off just before the final meeting on Monday night with the Mills and Kaye Beyer.

We had a great worship time again, similar to Sunday night, and then Kaye got up to basically share her testimony. Her husband had died just 6 months before, and they had been in ministry together for something like 40 years, which is amazing! Some people had a difficult time hearing her as she was somewhat quiet and not at all dramatic, but this was one of my favorite parts of the conference. I love hearing testimonies and grew up reading biographies of famous men and women of God. She passed around some pictures of miraculous manifestations (such as some money with a note from God to her grand daughter on it) and was also wearing a huge ring with a beautiful green stone in it that God dropped at her feet. It was very sparkly, and green being my favorite colour I believe he should give me one too (though I'd probably have it set in a crown instead).

She shared about the joy that comes from knowing God in the midst of difficult times, and at the end invited people who lacked joy to come for prayer. She looked a bit shocked when nearly everyone came forward! . .(A lady sitting next to us from the church explained that depression is a serious problem in Hong Kong...) There were only a few of us still sitting in our seats, and soon we were busy moving chairs out of the way as many started falling to the floor. Kaye and Janet Mills moved around the room praying and laying hands on people in such a quiet and gently manner it was rather surprising the violent effects of their ministry! Josh was still manning the keyboard and singing, and we were happily taking it all in.

When Rob recovered and got up off the floor hehe, he started calling certain visiting people forward to be prayed for. He called some people from a church in China (I think?) up, and then he called us up. Janet was excited that we were church planting in Canada, asked us where and she answered that the Maritimes need churches. Neither Aaron or I remember another word she or Kaye said after that! She then very gently placed her hands on Aaron's face and he was out like a light, then she put her hands on my face and it was so glorious, God's loving joyful presence just wrapped me in light. I didn't fall or anything, I think was struggling to remain standing because I didn't want Janet to stop! Ahhh, but she did...

And then Rob was dealing with something demonic in someone and I was glad I didn't miss it. I had noticed earlier that someone was struggling with a demonic issue and hoped it would get dealt with, so I was intrigued to be able to be up close to see how Rob handled it. I always pay close attention whenever I'm close to someone experienced in casting out demons, which unfortunately doesn't happen very often. This is one area of ministry I'm dying to jump into more, and one thing I really have more than enough faith to make up for the lack of experience.

That night we stayed at the YWCA where the church met, and the next day a lady (Marika)from the church picked us up and drove us to nicer accommodations that she and her husband had arranged. She was so kind and generous and gave us lots of information about the city. That night we had quite an adventure getting lost with a taxi driver who spoke no English, due in large part to us being hungry at midnight for a real meal for most of the time we were there, 12 hour time difference! I think I won't get into that! Suffice it to say, God got us back to our room!

So Tuesday and Wednesday of our trip involved sightseeing and lots of walking. The weather was great, we went to the Peak (where we waved to the Mills and Kaye Beyer out the tram window!) and got to see all the great views. And we did lots of wandering around the shops and ate mysterious Chinese food.

On Thursday Marika picked us up again and took us over to the Rufus' house where we chatted with Rob and Glenda and then ate together with a few people from the worship team who were there early for the prayer meeting that night. The prayer meeting was really great and intense...and loud! There were lots of prophetic words and testimonies, and Rob asked Aaron and I to share a couple of things we'd shared with him as well, just some encouragement God had given us for the church. We got to meet even more people that night and everyone was so easy to talk to. If we weren't so obviously called to be planting a church here in Canada, I think it would be extremely tempting to move to Hong Kong! We then went back to Ryan and Kylie's house for the night as we were flying out early the next morning. We stayed up talking again, and the next morning as we stood by the taxi about to get in , I felt such a wave of sadness wash over me. I already missed them!

One little testimony here: We needed taxi money to get to the airport on Friday morning and I wasn't sure how much we'd need, I didn't think we had enough Hong Kong dollars left. We could have gone to a bank and gotten some more out but that would have been inconvenient and I didn't want to exchange more money than we needed, so I just asked God on Thursday to provide the money we needed. Well, at the prayer meeting, a lady from the church came up and slipped me some money, she said it should be enough for the taxi. Wow, God doesn't waste any time! As we were leaving, Rob and Glenda gave us money for the taxi as well, we told them we didn't need it anymore but they said to get a nice breakfast at the airport. It wasn't too long before Ryan and Kylie gave us some money for the taxi, also insisting we keep it when we told them we had more than enough! OK God, you've made your point, you're pretty generous, according to your riches in glory, not my need!

Anyway, we had a good flight back and safe trip home though it took me quite some time to readjust to the proper time zone. Thanks again to Dan for your faith and generosity and investing in kingdom building in Canada!

Invading the Impossible Part 14 - Condemning Condemnation!!

As I mentioned in my post; "When You Believe" on "Life on Wings", I was in a bit of a dilemma as to exactly how to type up this sermon. I wasn't going to type up the testimonies that Rob reads out for almost 40 minutes of the sermon. But God spoke powerfully to me through the song I posted and felt strongly that although I am not seeing great signs and wonders and miracles in my life at the moment, it is important to keep faith fired up by hearing and sharing these testimonies. Let me repeat Rob's definition of "Testimony" from "Invading the Impossible - Part 12";

"Testimony" comes from the word; "To do it again". When you share a testimony of what God has done in a miracle in your life - that testimony is a sharing of a prophecy and it carries with it a power to duplicate what you are testifying happened to you".

So here it is!

"I have a sensing in my spirit that for some of you it has been a tough week and you are licking a few wounds today. Not all of you but some of you are licking wounds - some disappointments this week. Some frustrations. How do you know this Rob? Well I have been praying and waiting on God and I want you to know that it is okay to sit here today with some wounds and relax and God is here to love you and heal you and restore you and comfort you. I want you to feel no pressure. You just sit there and listen as I share some testimonies and you let the love of God come to you and just heal you up alright? You will leave this place restored and whole and ready to face life again - alright?

We all have those times - we all have days, weeks or seasons where we go through times where we wonder; "Am I really saved?" - "Am I really a Christian?". That is fine. I've never had one of those days of course! No disappointments! Life has been easy for me! Those are good to have those days - it is good to have those times and God can touch your marriage and restore romance and love to your marriage where there has been a bit of frustration. Anyway some of you will think that someone has told me about your week and you are right. Someone did and His Name is Jesus!

The Bible says that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy so I want to share some testimonies today and then teach a little bit. I want to share some testimonies because you remember that testimonies carry the power to duplicate what they are talking about and so want to read some of these testimonies to you. Last night in our home we had a wonderful time and we had a number of people in this church testifying of some amazing miracles of healing in their bodies that happened here last weekend.

So I want to talk about some of the feedback we have had from around the world in the last week and I think one or two are from the week before. So all of these are current - these are all within the last week and some the week before.

1. So this is from someone by the name of Guy Lacy and he says;

"Hi Rob and Glenda I wanted to get in touch with you to encourage you and City Church International for the impact you have had both within my life and the life of our church plant in Montreal, Canada". Then he talks about how they planted in January this year in Montreal. He says; "This however is not why I am contacting you because I feel like for the first time our church - Victory Heights International - has come to the place of preaching and believing the gospel. I don't say that speaks of the past but only that it speaks of the future. There has always been a mixture of law and grace if not full law in any of the messages I have heard.

That is until I began to listen to your messages on grace in early 2007 and now on the righteousness of God in 2008. I must admit it has taken some time for me to make the turn but now I am turned on baby!!!!".

How many of you found it took you a while to accept this message? If you will tell me the truth it is because it sounded too good to be true. It is because you were dealing with centuries of contradictory information with the mixing and confusing of Old and New Covenants together.

"I can now saw confidently from the Scripture that I am the righteousness of God! Not only can I say it but those in our flock are believing it and confessing it. I can't tell you all the wonderful testimonies that have come from this. Last night we prayed for a couple and the Holy Spirit fell on the room as we confessed and agreed with the Holy Spirit that we are the righteousness of God. We agreed with the Holy Spirit! We are convinced - John 16:1 - Wow!". You remember that I taught out of John 16. "A joy broke out in the room that had us praising God like never before. The Spirit descended so thick on the room that all of us were laid out under the power of God laughing hysterically. I didn't know that it could be this good Rob!".

These are Canadians guys! Someone says; "You couldn't pay me enough money to act that way!". Well when the Holy Spirit falls on you - you will do it for free!

"Opposition to this message has already begun and we expected that even from those close to us. But we are convinced and every Scripture we read convinces us that this revelation now makes sense. I am a slave to righteousness (Romans 6) and there is nothing I can do about it! This is a message that will impact not only Montreal but the nations. This is a message that will set the captives free. This is the message Paul preached and glory be to God!!!!!!!! We prayed for you and Glenda last night and a prophetic word or two came out so here they are;

A. My wife Rachel saw huge container ships in the port of Hong Kong and they were exporting grace all over the world!

B. I felt that Hong Kong was the modern day Rome and that God was once again going to spread the good news through the world at an accelerated rate as it was in the early church. You are exactly where God would have you and it is very strategic for His plans. I hope this encourages you to fight the good fight of faith Rob and Glenda. Perhaps one day we will meet face to face.

Until then much love, Guy and Rachel, Montreal, Canada".

2. You guys are clapping!! Even without me asking! This came in last week from Frank in the UK;

"Hi Rob it's me again! Just want to say; 'Go for it brother!!!!'. Yes the revival is here in Watford Rob. Yes we are under attack - yes the controlling spirit is lashing out but yes - yes - yes many people are being set free. Yes the cloud of the glory is thick and His Spirit is moving. Wooo yay Father - let Your fire fall! Just listened to last week's message. (Rember on; "A Flood of the Glory is Coming!") - Rob just a small taste of what is happening. Our wonderful dear lady and close friend Renee was miraculously healed from her scoliosis on Friday night!!!!! Her leg grew before our eyes as the Holy Spirit moved during our worship time. Rob, Jesus said He is going to bring all things into alignment - what an amazing miracle of how He aligned her body as an example.

Praise You Jesus! Yes it's not about numbers Rob - it is about impact. We are taking the Book of Acts to the streets - His cloud of glory has visibly fallen over us. Just listened to your message; "There is a Flood of Glory Coming" - 10 minutes into your message the glory fell into our home like a thick mist and gold dust fell all over the house even onto my Catholic mother-in-law! Keep it up Rob! We are right behind you!!!!!! We so look forward to seeing you in the UK soon - please send our love to Steve and Gina. Much love Frank and Lara".

Isn't that wonderful!?

3. This is a dear friend of ours - well he has become a great friend. He's a young man - well he's in his early 30's and he leads a church down at Port Edward. He came to the "Glory and Grace Conference" here in Hong Kong and I didn't meet him there but he came. Then he went to the Sydney "Glory and Grace" just a few weeks ago and he got up at Sydney "Glory and Grace" and testified that before he came to "Glory and Grace" and said that the church he was pastoring was pretty dry, absent of the supernatural, little Presence of God and he said it was primarily his fault because he was dry and he was legalistic and preaching the law.

He said he came to "Glory and Grace" - got delivered - the fire of God fell on him and he got delivered and went back and immediately they started having signs and wonders and miracles and his people started to coming to church unsummoned and just volunteering and turning up in the meeting because they were so hungry to experience the Presence of God. The first morning he got back from "Glory and Grace" in Hong Kong, the worship team were practicing and the glory of God fell on them and they fell to the ground. They were talking so long in the glory that members started arriving in the car park - they began to fall on their knees in the car park and then some of them crawled into church and they had hours of meetings and the glory of God on the south coast and it is going up the north coast of Natal.

Something has been affected from Hong Kong!

I met him in Sydney and took him out for lunch and he says;

"Hi friends - thanks so much for all your continued input into our lives and we appreciate your love and support more than you will ever know. Thanks for all the meals, and lifts, and coffees and all - I wanted to boast about how magnificent our God is. This happened after the Sydney Glory and Grace Conference. I was invited to minister at a conference in Port Alfred and it was a conference by the Church of the Nations - about 500 people were there. I did four sessions - two each day. There were churches represented there today and different visitors with Methodists etc. I went to share grace and minister God's Presence with the hope of signs and wonders and miracles. He did not disappoint.

The first night God's Presence came powerfully - many were touched in meaningful ways and lots of falling, rolling, laughing, crying and shaking. God's Presence was tangible and the weight of His glory rested on us. There were also a few healings that night. Almost everyone had sparkles of gold dust. The church enjoyed that as they had not seen it before. The next night was even more amazing. The worship was heavenly and went on for ages. I preached a while on two components that sustain revival. That is - continually hungering and longing for and honouring His Presence and staying in the New Covenant. As I preached, I sensed many strongholds being shattered and truth coming home powerfully. That is what preaching under the anointing does.

Then we had a time of healing where testimonies from the night before of people who were healed and I then asked people to stand up who had the same sickness and explained that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. I asked them to raise their hands and expect them to be healed. I prayed for about 30 seconds commanding healing and rebuking sickness and the power of God filled the building. I then told people to examine themselves. 23 people were instantly healed! Praise God - it was that easy! We can actually do this! It is possible! Please tell all your folk that it can be done! Jesus wants it! It is not a time for super-heroes but for an army of believers who will carry the power of the Lion! Sorry I am getting carried away here - (because I preached on the Lion in Sydney "Glory and Grace") - just so exciting and I did not honestly know if we could see this in our ministry. I hope for it but now we see it! It is amazing!".

Then he gives a whole load of testimonies of the actual healings.

4. Here is Sean.

"Yesterday night I was fellowshipping with Jesus and reading His precious love letter and worshipping Him. Then I had this deep desire to preach the Gospel. It was ten minutes past ten at night. I jumped into my car and drove down-town filled with boldness and started preaching the Word. Later there was a crowd of ten to twelve people. After the preaching, the Bible tells us that signs and wonders follow the Word - being a doer of the Word I laid my hands on a crippled beggar. The power of God hit him and he was instantly healed! Jumping, singing and praising to his Saviour. His friends saw what happened and came up to me and said; "I also believe Jesus can heal me". I laid my hands on him - God is faithful and healed him of severe leg problems. Before we prayed he couldn't lift up his leg higher than 1 cm off the ground. After we prayed him and his friend ran around jumped and testified to the goodness of God!".

I dream of these things! And we have not affected the church - while I was living in South Africa and while I was living in Australia - like we have here. It is happening from Hong Kong! When I was living in Australia God said; "Move to Hong Kong" and I said; "Why?!". He said; "Just do it and when you go there you will touch the nations from Hong Kong". Amen? So we are a band of brothers and sisters who sort of look like a church and are touching the world.

He says; "A shop owner of a fish and chip shop saw everything that happened. He also knew the two beggars and usually hands them out free soup and bread and stood amazed at what happened. The Word was preached and healings were performed just as it was in the Book of Acts. All praise to Jesus! Please follow with me as I want to make a valid point now".

This is a very valid point here - a very valid point.

"This is not the first healing on the street that I did in Jesus Name and it will certainly not be the last. But on a couple of occasions I prayed for people in a church set up and nothing happened. I mean NOTHING happened! Once I prayed for a blind lady in a prayer meeting and nothing happened. The same happened at a church camp this year where I prayed for a man who can't walk - and guess what? Nothing happened apart from some screaming, demon-rebuking Christians trying to save the day. On the streets on the other hand big, big healings and miracles and the power of God moving radically! My question is why? Why big healings on the street and why no healings or limited healings in the church? Answer: people in the street have not been intoxicated with legalistic doctrines. I believe in the Church people are caught up in the "I did not pray and fast enough syndrome". People in the Church try to work for their healing even though they won't say it. Whereby sinners know they have no foot to stand on and only receive it as a gift. One works and the other just receives it as a gift. I felt that God was telling me last night that His glory will be poured out in the streets as in the early Church.

The world will see the power of God and not just the church between four walls. Power and glory will be seen in the streets. Glory cannot be contained - glory overflows. Glory overflows into the deepest and darkest corners around the world and glory will take us deeper into the heart of God and glory will give us such a desire and inner drive to do things that Jesus did. Jesus said; "Greater things will we do because He is going to the Father". Rob I will see you in July at the conference in Cape Town and thank you so much for preaching the truth. Sean".

Now I want to say as I share that testimony that some of you may feel condemned because I have never prayed for people in the street or had the courage to go out and preach the Word of God in the street. I want to say this to you - and I am sure Sean will agree - this ministry is all about taking the "Have-To's" off God's people! You "have to" go on the street, you "have to" pray and you "have to" go to church!

"We want to take ALL the "Have-To's" off God's people so that all the spontaneous "Want-To's" rise up!".

If you are born again then you have a new nature in Christ that loves God, that loves people and that loves the Word of God and when you strangle that new nature with laws and rules and "Have-To's" then you kill faith and with condemnation cripple believers. When you tell them that you don't have to do a thing - relax! Chill! Enjoy God! Love God! Then you end up doing things that you never planned to do! Some of you may never preach the Gospel in the street! Let me just say this; enjoy God's acceptance and God's love! Get free of the "Have-To's" and comparing yourself with others and as you walk in the love of God and get filled with God and with the glory of God, then you will find yourself doing a whole load of things that you never thought you would do!

You will do them in a different way to Sean and you will do them in a different forum and a different context and you will find that God leads you into faith actions and you will begin projects and initiatives that will be quite amazing. Then you will wonder; "Is this really me?!". I didn't learn to preach from a pulpit. I preached for my first year in the streets and lead many people to Christ in the streets.

I haven't preached in the streets for years now and I may end up doing that again. I may end up praying for cripples in the streets and many of you may end up doing that! Even though you sit here saying; "I don't know if I could" - well you can't! But when you get full of God and forget about "Having To" and relax then you may end up doing stuff!

5. Here is a guy called Bradley - I know him and he is a dear man from the church in Dubai and he is a pastor in that church. That church is partnering with us and walking with us and gave us about 2 months ago about 70, 000 Hong Kong dollars for our ministry into China which is amazing! Someone while Josh Mills was here gave Glenda a cheque for 78, 000 dollars for our international ministry. Money is coming in! I am believing for our tithes and offerings to keep going up - not because you have to but because you want to! I am believing for this whole building to be filled quite quickly! I am believing for our tithes and offerings to go up to such a place that we can do stuff! I am believing for 50 million Hong Kong dollars to come in just this year! I want to buy buildings cash and buy several buildings. I want to buy studios and care for the orphans and do education! Are you hearing what I am saying here?! I am believing for 50 million!

The reality is to do things costs money! I wish the world would say; "Rob when you get on a plane you are a pastor and you don't have to pay for air tickets". I wish when I went to a resturant they would say, "You are a pastor and you don't have to pay". They charge us! And I have preached grace to the whole eldership of this Dubai church and preached a whole week there to the congregation and that church is going through the roof. They are seeing dozens of people saved every week. They are a showcase of what the grace message is about! All the elders came to the "Glory and Grace" time and I refer to them often and say to people around the world; "If you have a problem with the grace message - go and look at the Dubai church and come and look at City Church International and you say you are afraid that the people will stop tithing because we preach grace - most of the people in this church tithe! But not under law - under Abraham and under grace because they are partners with God and in liberty!

Our people love Jesus and come to church when sick and when they are tired and have had a terrible week - our people are committed in this church! That's what our people are like! Why? Because of grace! He says this;

"Hi Rob I hope this letter finds you and your family well. By listening to you over the web I believe it does. It is very exciting to hear what God is doing in City Church - more of the people getting revelation of this amazing message and being set free. We too here in Dubai are seeing increasing glory on us as a church. Not only in our set weekly meetings but there are many testimonies coming from the marketplace, homes, coffee shops etc. Our meetings are becoming more disruptive as the Holy Spirit is taking over His Church - one thing we know as leaders is that we do not want to try and administrate what God is doing. Rather we are asking Him to lead us as we lead His people.

The desire in my heart for more of His glory has so increased that I have been ruined for life!". He says he can hardly work now and has a very responsible job! He is an engineer! He says the amazing thing is that He is coming more and more but; "I am never satisfied as there can never be an end to His glory. It is impossible to go back".

He then says a whole load of other stuff and says; "Thanks again for the obedience you have in preaching the truth of this amazing gospel - never stop but let the fire burn more and more and become more wild! God bless you, your family and City Church. Love Bradley".

6. Here's a man from Brisbane, Australia - Chris - and he says;

"Hi Rob and Glenda - it was such a blessing to be at the conference - "Glory and Grace Sydney". Thanks so much for all you sowed into people's lives. I have lived with a sense that God was an austere Father". I want some of you to really listen to this. This man was a pastor for many years. He is no longer in full time ministry but is a member of the church in Brisbane. This is a guy who is a pastor! "I have lived with a sense that God was an austere Father". That means a harsh Father. "But at the conference I had an experience that as I looked into the Father's eyes, I was like a new-born baby in the palms of His hands. Gazing into His eyes I sensed that what He was imparting to me was all the love He could pour into me. His eyes say things like; "You are My child and I love you ... You are My child and I will always be here for you ... You are My child and you are safe in My hands ... You are my child and I provided everything you will ever need".

"I now walk in a sense of His approval which draws me to spend every moment I can with Him. I want to encourage you - keep preaching the message of grace. It is what makes people fall in love with God. Then keep loving Him forever. God is not looking for slaves but children who want to walk with Him and love Him. Love in Christ, Chris and Moira".

You say - are there any more? Are you going to teach? Yes a 10 minute teach at the end of some of these testimonies. Some people don't know what to say to 10 minutes! There was a giggle of unbelief!

7. This is from a pastor of an AoG church in Australia who I had the privilidge of meeting while in Sydney at the conference and his name is Andrew McGraw. He says;

"Hey Rob, thanks for the awesome preaching and teaching in Sydney. I felt an amazing sense of God's Presence as we returned on Sunday back to church, God moved in a powerful way. Words of knowledge flowed - a hunger for God was there and many people responded again to the grace message. It is bringing hope to many people who are caught in a web of accusation and condemnation. Praise God for freedom I say. I would love to stay connected with you in some way. We would love to have you come to Melbourne some time to minister. Is that something you are open to?".

And I want to reply over the web - of course! My reply is yes!

"Once again thank you - I have no doubt you and your church are called to be forerunners in this wonderful message of grace and I just want to encourage you to keep proclaiming this message as the reach of your work is touching lives that you may only discover in eternity. Stay the distance. Endure the misunderstanding for the fruit of your work will be millions of changed lives. Andrew McGraw".

8. There are many more but let me give you one more! This is a testimony from Tony in New Zealand. He was at the Glory and Grace Conference and he says;

"Thank you Jubilee International Church". That is Fini and Isi's church. "To dear Fini and Isi, Rob and Glenda and all my friends at the Glory and Grace Conference. When I got home last Monday it felt like I had been away for 40 days although it has only been 9 days. On the Sunday before the conference I went to Jubilee Church as I arrived in Sydney. The praise and worship was so free. We hardly used the songs but sang in the Spirit and prophetic songs and harmony. We entered into another realm. People started laughing and rolling on the ground under the power of the glory of God. We were there on Sunday night service from 6pm to 9:30pm - no one wanted to go home! In fact who wants to go home when God pitches up in His manifest glory?! In the Bible when God pitched up in greater glory, people couldn't stand - they fell! Shook etc. How can the human body handle the immortal glory of our Almighty God when He just reveals a tiny bit of Himself?

In the morning when Fini preached on the voice of God as Fini quoted the Scripture when Jesus appeared to His disciples in the Upper Room, He said; "Greeting!". God spoke to my spirit to show me that He cares about me. I couldn't stop crying. And just as well, I was the first person that Fini prayed for that day. The conference started on Wednesday to Saturday and we had so much of God during this time that no one wanted to and couldn't go home! Under the glory people were falling under the power and majesty of God praying for one another and laughing and shaking just under the manifest Presence of God. Services start at 9:30am and one time we were so much under the glory that we didn't go home until 3:30pm! Then night services started from about 7pm till about 10pm - glory, glory, glory!".

I am just reading what he is saying!

"We were so close to God at times that I swear that angels were there even though I never saw them. On Thursday morning in the second session it was a time of impartation when we waited on God and some of the leaders prayed for us. Then all of a sudden I smelt this perfume but I thought it was a lady in front of me. But it doesn't make any sense - why would she go and put some perfume on between the services?".

I don't know but it does happen! He is a man and doesn't understand!

"Then I smelt the perfume very strongly! It was coming from the aisles and then Fini said through the microphone that some people had smelt wine and perfume and fragrance. Then I realised it was God. I smelt other fragrances as well for about 15 to 20 minutes all around the auditorium. Other signs and wonders were that this lady got a platinum filling (which is Millie here) in her tooth. Someone had a word of knowledge for a filling in her left tooth and she discovered it had been filled with platinum. One guy I was having coffee with suddenly discovered he had a gold tooth - completely gold - and it was a silver filling before. The most important highlight of this conference was the teaching on the grace of God. The teaching about the free gift of righteousness - that once again just like Martin Luther had to stand against legalism in his day and bring about the doctrine of justification by faith that we are saved by grace from first to last - so the same thing is happening again.

God is calling grace reformers to arise again! There is so much legalism in the Church and people think that they can earn their salvation and God's blessing by their own works. Glorious signs and wonders will follow the preaching of the gospel of grace. It is only through understanding and living in grace that we will tap into the greater glory. Legalism, control of man, religious spirits, spirit of witchcraft - control and manipulation, is not the gospel!

When the Bible says "Rejoice" what do you think that means? Does it mean to smile? No it means to rejoice by the Spirit of God - laughing, shouting, happiness, dancing with all your might. God is God and He can do whatever He likes in the heavens above and on the earth below. He is the Creator. It is just as easy for God to create for someone a whole new liver rather than heal his sick liver. We didn't come for a particular group or denomination - we came for Jesus. To seek His face alone! No other agenda! There was such unity among us. We just sought after His face - His glory by His righteousness - His grace.

We could draw as close to God as we liked!

I wasn't seeking after the signs. But the Bible clearly declares that God is a miracle-working God and He confirms His Word with various miracles and signs by His Spirit". Then he says here that he is listening to MP3s on the grace of God almost every day.

Let me just give you this prophecy that Joshua Mills gave to us. When did we pick Joshua up? On Sunday afternoon we picked him up from Hollywood at Disneyworld here in Hong Kong of course and we got there about half an hour early. So we pulled alongside of the road outside the hotel and Glenda and I were agonising over some of the opposition that has come from a particular part of the world that we have cancelled going there. There are so many problems that we don't want leaders panicking about the grace message. We love the Body of Christ and we are not going to go in until this period is over and things calm down. We have thousands of people wanting to come to our conference but we still closed it down because it is not about us just getting our way - but it is about the church and the right timing.

So we are going to another city and we are going to hold the conference in another city - so many will fly from the other city to that city. I say that with no judgement over people panicking. I am not an enemy of those opposing us - I love them. I am their friend. I want to see their churches prosper! I don't want to cause division in the Body of Christ unnecessarily. There comes a point where God says you must go anyway because the door is open so do it. You will not always be popular because Jesus wasn't and neither was Paul the apostle. I was reading Acts 21 last night where Paul - this great apostle of grace and a Jewish apostle - that had been shipwrecked and imprisoned and lied about and betrayed because of this message of grace! That was what was being fought about - this message of grace. He was attacked by devils because of this message of grace. The thorn in the flesh - the messanger from Satan - was sent to buffet him.

Right at the end of his life in Acts 21 he goes down to Jerusalem and he meets with James and the other Jewish apostles and the elders of the church there. What is amazing to me is that the apostles in Jerusalem have already drifted from the grace of God and are mixing grace with law again. That happens so easily to the church! They say to Paul; "Paul! We have many Jewish converts here in Jerusalem and if they find out that you are here then it will cause a lot of trouble because they have heard that you are going all around the world and seeing Gentiles and Jews converted to Christ and you are telling Jewish converts that they are not under the law and they don't have to circumcise their children and the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem are mad with you!".

Now I want to say to those Jewish apostles - you are at fault my friends because you have mis-taught your Jewish converts in Jerusalem! The Bible clearly teaches that Christ is the end of the law, we are redeemed from the curse of the law and Christ cancelled the written code that stood opposed to us at the Cross!

And all the "Have-Tos" and all the "Must-Tos" were cancelled and we are birthed into grace. So they say to Paul; "If they find out that you are here there will be trouble so Paul will go shave your head and submit to Jewish rituals". So Paul - blow me down - submits to that! Big mistake! He goes through a purification of Old Covenant and while he is in the temple obeying these Jewish apostles who have come under the deception of going back to law and Old Covenant - while he is submitting to these apostles (which he shouldn't have done) - the Jewish zealots see Paul and rush at him and try to kill him. "Here's the man that is teaching people that they don't have to keep the law and are not under the law!". They start beating him up and try to kill him and the unsaved Romans have to come in and rescue Paul and he is put in prison and goes to Rome.

Friends I want to tell you - anyone that says if you are a Jew and come to Christ but still must stay under law then need to go read Acts 21. It is clear that Paul was teaching Jewish converts that you are no longer under law but are in grace. But he suffered for that message!

If I teach law and legalism and holiness like some people do then I would be popular with the control freaks. But you know who we are popular with? Not the control freaks but with people who are tired of being controlled and being under condemnation and are just loving being under this message! Our website jumped to 36, 000 downloads last month and it will go through the roof friends!

So it is sad to hear these things. So we are sitting in the motor car just before picking up Joshua and we are sitting there agonising saying; "What are we going to do with all this criticism?". It is only coming from a few leaders but what are we going to do with it? Because we have been accused of some ridiculous things! What we are supposed to have taught - and we don't by the way! People who criticise are not listening to the series and are just hearing what other people say! The Bible process says you go to the person you have had a problem with and you don't talk to other people. If you have a problem with me then you don't talk to other people. You don't talk to everyone else about it! And if I am in sin and I tell you; "Don't tell me that - I am the pastor! You are in rebellion" then you go get another person and both of you come to me and you are both witnesses of my stubbornness and my arrogance and then you go and tell the whole church.

"Watch out for that guy - he is a cult leader - he is a controller". You never talk to someone else about the problem you have with someone - you only go to the person you have a problem with! Privately and in the hope that they will say; "I am so sorry I have been treating you like that - you know I am wrong and I repent and ask you to forgive me". Then you don't tell another person! Amen? Someone says; "Well I haven't always done that". Well live free - and don't do that in the future!

So we are sitting in the car agonising saying "What can we do? What shall we do?" and we didn't tell Joshua Mills about the criticism and he comes in and as you know, in the middle of the meeting he started prophesying over us. I was blessed by what he said but I didn't actually get everything because I was getting more blessed by your support as you were shouting and clapping because you knew what was going on!

So I was getting so blessed that I had to get it typed out to know what he said. But he says here;

"God says you have been on display and others have been watching. You have been on display for others to look and people to criticise, for people to accuse and for people to point fingers but God says in the middle of the fire there is a manifestation of the glory that is coming forth in your life that wasn't there before the fire and what the enemy has meant for harm - I am taking that thing and turning that thing around and I am causing the greatest gold to come forth.
I am causing the greatest glory you have ever known to begin to manifest in your life for surely you shall begin stepping out of the fire (Rob: "Whoopeee!") and you shall begin manifesting the glory of My Presence in a greater way than ever before and those that were watching while you were on display who said you will never make it - for surely you are a failure, surely it is not of God - God says surely they shall see and it shall not only be a sign and a wonder but it shall be a testimony - the testimony of Jesus Christ, the hope of glory inside of you.

I see you stepping out of the fire and I see you walking into a new place - a new season of blessing. It is opening for you even right now and in that place there is a divine acceleration and a divine increase - supernatural favour, abundance and blessing being poured out upon you. I see miracles beginning to flow where there were no miracles before. I almost see like garden flowers beginning to spring forth where it doesn't seem like they could be any flowers. Didn't seem like there could be any harvest in areas where people have looked and said; "Surely there can not be a harvest" - God says, "I am going to GIVE you the harvest".

Not only shall you see it, but you are going to reap it! You are going to reap it for many see the harvest but do not receive it but God says you shall see it and you shall have it".

Can you say amen!? Thank You Lord Jesus! Now I literally just want to speak for a few minutes.

We live under a friendly happy sky! We live under a Father who's face towards us is one of great favour!

You are very safe in the Father's favour! Men cannot disappoint you because they never appointed you! They can't "Dis-appoint" you because they never "appointed" you! God appointed me to this message before time began! He chose me to bring a recovery of the Gospel of grace and for the Church to be restored to living only in the freedom of the New Covenant.

I do believe we should read the Old Covenant and know the types and shadows that are in the Old Covenant - for Christ is hidden in the Old Covenant in shadow and revealed in substance in the New Covenant! But we don't live under the Old Covenant law at all!

God appointed me for that! So no man can "dis-appoint" me.

No man can fire me because no man hired me! God called me - not as my Boss to salary me but as my Father to do the family business!

No apostle - no man appointed me! God appointed you and me and that's why when people hear this message they stand up against controllers and say "No I am not submitting to that anymore!". My refusing to submit is not rebellion - I am submitting to God! We submit to one another out of reverence for Christ!

But friends, you can NEVER submit to a controller!

It is dangerous! Glenda and I were sitting watching a TV documentary on cults last night - it was on our multi-choice TV channels. It was just shocking as to what cult leaders have got away with. But you know there are some church situations in our modern world that are not as extreme as that but there are signs and traces of some of that bully-boy control! God is saying "Let My people go that they may worship Me and know it is unto Me they are called!". My Father gave me a coat of many colours - I don't care if my brothers are jealous of that! I am going to wear it friends because my Father gave it to me! It's got lots of colours and I am going to wear it because my Father gave it to me. It may make them mad but they didn't give it to me - my Father gave it to me and they can't disappoint me because they never appointed me!

God appointed me! God appointed you! My Father is your Father! Do you understand that your Father is my Father? When you talk to the Father you are talking to my Father! When I talk to the Father I am talking to your Father! Now I see Him in you - I see Jesus in you! You have got to know your identity. Your identity - you are a son or daughter of God. You are a new creation, the light of the world, the salt of the earth, the people of God, the ambassadors of God's government, His children, His glorious riches and His inheritance - you belong to Him!

I want to talk just a few minutes about why you should condemn condemnation and accuse accusation and grab guilt by the throat and get out of the religious boat and float and wear your Father's glory coat!!

I got that yesterday because I was writing a foreword to a wonderful book on grace written by a man called Dion Stevens and is being published soon from Cape Town. That was part of the foreword there! But I want you to open to Romans 8 and this is what I want to say to you - that is very helpful. The New Testament is God's love letter to you and is perfumed with His Presence. The Bible says in 2nd Timothy 3:16 that all Scripture is God-breathed and God-inspired and useful. It says we must "rightly divide the Word of God lest we be ashamed". So this is a principle I teach over and over again in this church and around the world. There are passages in Scripture that are so clear they don't need interpretation and don't need you to try and work out what they say and are so clear that you are secure in Christ. Then you have got other passages that are a little bit obscure and not so easy to understand. Watch out for people that major on those obscure passages and that are not always easy to understand. You come at them with the clear passages that everyone knows that it is saying but they want to go to the obscure passages.

The first question you will be taught in theology class and in exegesis of the Scripture (which is how to read the Scripture) - the first thing you must ask when you open up the Bible is; "Who is this book written to?". The Bible was not written into a historical vacuum. There was a reason this book was written and there were people it was written to! Amen? So whenever Paul writes his letters he always says; "To the saints in Ephesus", "to the saints in Phillipi" - so you know he is talking to those who are in Christ.

All his letters will encourage you on the message of grace and that you are in last Adam secure forever!

When you get to the Book of James - and you must understand that James is inspired by God and I love the book of James - but James starts off by saying; "To the 12 tribes". So it isn't to the saints but to the 12 tribes. You think; "Who are the 12 tribes?". Not to the saints! There may be some difficult passages there but don't get confused or worried about it because he is talking to a mixture - sometimes to Christians and sometimes to Jews. So he is talking about; "Beat your hearts oh you sinners!" in James 4 - he is talking to self-righteous people under the law and you need to discern and rightly divide!

If you read 2nd John and 3rd John - you will see that John the apostle says the lady to whom he writes and to whom he is writing to. In 1st John he doesn't tell us who he is writing to! So you must be careful who he is writing to. He doesn't say to the saints. Many people believe (and I agree) that in 1st John - he is writing to a mixed audience of Gnostics and Christians under the influence of Gnostics.

Gnostics were the New Agers of 2000 years ago. They didn't believe that there was any sin in the world - that whatever you do it isn't sin. So John is writing to the Gnostics and Christians influenced by them (not the Gospel of John but 1st John) - to a mixed audience. So I personally believe where he says in 1 John 1:8 where he says; "If you confess your sins, He is faithful and just" - I personally believe he is talking to people that need to get saved. Later on he talks to Christians that are under the influence of Gnostics.

I have got to say that - because I want to encourage you to read your Bibles and always ask; "Who is this letter being written to?". Because this book should be something you read with joy!".

And not read something that will confuse you! You know what I am saying? When it gets to Hebrews chapter 10 we love the first half because it says; "By one sacrifice He has made perfect forever all those being made holy". So we are perfect forever in the righteousness of God! He says there is no more sacrifice for sins left. Now you don't need anymore sacrifice because the final sacrifice was made and you are righteous and perfect forever! Then he writes on and says; "If after receiving the knowledge of the truth then you continually deliberately sin, there is no sacrifice left but just the wrath of God". So you think; "Well I've sinned a few times since I got saved and it was deliberate too!". All sin is deliberate friends! I committed adultery and didn't know it happened!?! All sin is deliberate.

But what is the context? Who is he writing to? He is writing to Hebrews - Jews that have been converted to Christ and some haven't been converted to Christ and he didn't say "You have been saved" - he said; "You received the knowledge of truth". Receiving the knowledge of truth is a whole lot difference from receiving salvation. The whole book of Hebrews is writing to Jews to explain to them the Old Covenant is inferior and Jesus is superior - the New Covenant is superior with better promises and we are perfect by one sacrifice! Now you know the truth but you haven't come to Christ and continue to deliberately sin. He tells us what that sin is! They are trampling the blood of Jesus under foot! What are they doing? Putting their faith in the law - putting their faith in Old Covenant sacrifices and not in Jesus. Paul says that there is no sacrifice after Jesus so whatever you are doing - if you keep rejecting salvation in Christ and keep relying on the law and temple sacrifices and animals and goats and sheep then you will go and face God one day without any salvation because Jesus is the only and last sacrifice for salvation.

He is talking about their deliberate sinning is rejecting Jesus and relying on the Old Covenant and on the law and on temple sacrifices system. Read the book in context! That's all! You see the church has been programmed for years with condemnation so that when they read the wonderful letters of Paul to the saints they get so excited and then read other books and they are not sure who they are written to and then go; "Oh this is contradicting the good stuff and what is it?! Good or bad?!". So you have Christians who are spiritual schizophrenics and enjoy grace but avoid those parts of the Bible that seem to contradict.

No! Read those parts confidently! They do not contradict but confirm how powerful this grace message is! And warn people don't go to the Law and don't rely on Old Covenant sacrifices because that is trampling the blood underfoot.

We do not trample the blood under foot! We are delivered! God is not counting our sins against us - we are perfect forever! We don't need another sacrifice - Jesus is enough! We are the righteousness of God and we are out of first Adam and are in last Adam! The only reason that legalism has been able to stay in the church is because of wrong Bible exegesis and taking obscure passages and majoring on them instead of reading them and getting our theology from the letters written to the saints - I am a saint! I am in Christ! Those are the letters that I build this message of grace on! Amen?

Let's look at Romans 8:1; "There is now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus". Now we are going to go to verse 31. I want to show you something that is very important. Your heavenly Father is not condemning you - He is not accusing you. I want to prove to you that He is doing the absolute opposite to condemning you!

He is not condemning you or accusing you but has actually taken a posture of responsibility to protect you and defend you against accusation and against condemnation.

Revelation 12 says the devil is the accuser of the Christian. The devil! Your Father is not accusing you and not condemning you but defending your innocence - not through your performance but your innocence through the blood of Jesus and the righteousness of God and Jesus performance on your behalf. Now I promise you if the Father is defending your innocence and if the Father is not accusing you or condemning you - Jesus is doing the same and the Holy Spirit is doing the same. If the Father is defending you and not accusing you then the Holy Spirit will not point fingers at your fault or convict you of any sin except the sin of unbelief in Jesus.

He will convict you and convince you that Jesus has gone to the Father and what is Jesus doing at the Father's right hand? Interceding and mediating for you that you are the righteousness of God and the Holy Spirit is convincing you that the devil who accuses you is judged and condemned! You can't have a Father who is defending your innocence and a Spirit who is pointing out your failures and making you feel guilty. You can't have a Father who's doing that and Jesus is condemning you. Father, Son and Holy Spirit act in unity to defend your innocence and there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus!

Let's read this (v31) - "What then shall we say in response to this? If God is for us - who can be against us?". Let me read that again! "If God is FOR US who can be against us?!". You can have people come against you but they can't succeed! Because God is for us and then who can be against us? "He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also along with Him graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies! Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus who died more than that, who was raised to life is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us - who shall seperate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written we face death all day long". That is one of the joys of being an apostle. "As sheep to be slaughtered - no in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life neither angels nor demons, neither the present, nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else".

That sums it up friends! "Neither anything else in all creation will be able to seperate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord". Everything else refers to even your sin! Under the Old Covenant your sin definately would seperate you from God.

But under the New Covenant - better covenant, better promises, superior Mediator so NOTHING in all of creation can seperate you from the love of God! Anytime you feel seperated from God's love that is not authentic, legitimate or integrity - it is a lie from the devil and you have not guarded your own heart but allowed condemnation to come into your heart because of ignorance about the New Covenant.

So when you are feeling condemned, you think "That must be because I deserve to be condemned!".

No - you did deserve to be condemned, but Jesus was condemned in your place and you are given His righteousness so you are the righteousness of God and there is now NO condemnation to those in Christ because the Father is defending your innocence and so is Jesus and so is the Holy Spirit! That is why you MUST condemn condemnation and actively accuse accusation and you MUST take guilt by the throat and you MUST get out of the religious boat and float and you MUST wear your Father's glory coat!

You must! For the sake of millions of Christians who are confused about this clear and simple reality of the New Covenant! You must walk in joy and live free from condemnation! You MUST!

"I am going to close with this and I am going to make a statement now (and when you get this and you will, you will understand the basis of my entire ministry). This is what my entire ministry is based on and this is what the entire "Glory and Grace Conferences" are based on and why there is such power encounters in those conferences and this is what this entire church is based on - the statement I am going to make. The success of this church is based on this and the influence we have on so many nations is based on this statement:

"To the degree that you get rid of condemnation over your life, to that degree the glory Presence of God will manifest over your life. Much condemnation? Little glory Presence on your life, your home and your family. Little condemnation over your life? Much manifest glory of God over your life! No condemnation over your life? FULL manifestation of the fullness of glory over your life!".

We will not do the works Jesus did and the greater works which He promised a generation would do until we deal with this issue of condemnation! The more you get rid of condemnation, the thicker and more beautiful the glory coat of the Father comes over your life. The more you carry people will see Jesus in your life and will feel Him in your touch and feel Him in your words. There are churches that say; "Yes but we had a glory meeting and the Presence of God came". Yes I know but weeks go by and very little is left. What they call the Glory Presence is a very low anointing and they have only Presence very occasionaly because they have a mixture of law and grace so when they get the grace part right and get a bit of the glory and then they go back under law and see the glory fade.

2 Corinthians 3 - Paul says the ministry of death or the 10 Commandments written on tablets of stone brought condemnation - a ministry of death and a fading glory. But the gift of righteousness in the New Covenant brings an unfading glory. To the degree you get rid of condemnation in your life, to that degree you will walk in the glory of God. Any time of the day and I will pick this up next week and show you what condemnation is. It is not sinning and feeling bad - you shouldn't even feel bad when you sin - you should say; "Father I am sorry - that is not consistent with my nature but I thank You it is dealt with at the Cross". There are a lot of other ways the devil attacks us with condemnation. It isn't just in the area of sin but in the area of disappointing people, fitting into their plans for your life.

You think religious condemnation - but there is a whole lot of other condemnation that will diminish the glory in your life.

I want a priesthood of all believers so that EVERY believer in this church is UTTERLY free from condemnation so the full glory is on everyone of you so when we come together there is a glory explosion! A glory explosion!

The unbelievers don't mind glory explosions - they just think "Normal -normal church!". I will close now but Bill Johnson said in Sydney something. If there wasn't such persecution on this grace message then I would take the credit for it! But I am glad that Bill Johnson has to take the flack for this because when he said this in Sydney I almost fell off my chair. I thought that is what I have been saying for the last 3 and a half years! He is leading a reformation in the earth today of signs and wonders in the local church. He said;

"You cannot lose through your bad works what you did not gain through any good works".

All we have is the righteousness of God and Bill Johnson knows they have had a revival of signs and wonders for years and years now and he knows you cannot have that if there is any kind of condemnation over the people of God. That dear brother said; "It is easy to get sinners miraculously healed but it is difficult to pray for sick Christians to get healed". Because Christians are beaten by religious legalism and feelings of unworthiness and that I haven't done enough to earn this. Amen? Healings should take place easiest in the Church actually! Also easier there. But this should be really easy here because we are the people of grace!

Give the Lord a shout and a clap just for the heaven of it!